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Clintonista's Indictment Kept Secret for a Year
NewsMax.com ^ | 1/08/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 01/08/2005 12:13:31 PM PST by kattracks

Though Hillary Clinton's former finance chairman David Rosen was actually indicted in 2003, the Bush administration kept it secret till the indictment was unsealed late Friday, a move that spared the former first couple and the Democratic Party significant embarrassment during the height of the 2004 presidential campaign.

"The indictment was handed down more than a year ago," the Los Angeles Times reported Saturday.

Citing "sources familiar with the probe," the Times said the Bush Justice Department decided that any criminal charges would not be made public until after last fall's presidential election for fear they would be seen as a politically tainted vendetta by the Bush Administration."

While under secret federal indictment, Rosen was able to continue working for top Democrats throughout the long presidential campaign, eventually joining the campaign staff of Clinton protege, Gen. Wesley Clark, who launched his own presidential bid on the advice of the former first couple.

The decision to keep the politically awkward indictment under wraps allowed Mr. and Mrs. Clinton to assume high profile roles attacking President Bush on the Iraq war, as well as a whole range of domestic issues, without having to answer questions about their role in Rosen's case.

In Sept. 2003, Mrs. Clinton went so far as to accuse the White House of corruption, saying Bush officials had deliberately covered up unhealthy air quality at Ground Zero in the days after the 9/11 attacks.

In a measure of the extraordinary sensitivity with which Bush officials handled the Clinton-related case, the Times said the Rosen probe was "being directed by federal prosecutors with the Public Integrity Section at the Justice Department's headquarters in Washington, who specialize in this type of case."

Although the 10-page indictment does not indicate whether others, including the Clintons, were suspected of wrongdoing, Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra told the Times, "All we can say is that there are no additional subjects at this time."

But a key witness in the case has alleged that Hillary Clinton had guilty knowledge of concealed campaign contributions for an Aug. 12, 2000 fundraiser on behalf of her Senate campaign, which formed the basis for Rosen's indictment.

Hollywood producer Peter Paul, who funded the star-studded Los Angeles gala, has claimed that Mrs. Clinton personally negotiated "the largest payment for the event that I underwrote."

Paul and the his lawfirm Judicial Watch have maintained since 2001 that Mrs. Clinton's Senate campaign deliberately undereported nearly $2 million in in-kind contributions he made to cover expenses for the Aug. 2000 event.

Celebrity fundraiser Aaron Tonken, another key figure in the probe, has also suggested that Mrs. Clinton may face legal trouble because of his testimony about work he did for the former first couple.

In a soon-to-be released book that covers his relationship with the Clintons, Tonken says he handed out checks to "certain pols" that were "illegal." And he personally witnessed a "brown bag" stuffed with cash going "someplace it shouldn't."

In 2002 deposition in an unrelated case, Tonken testified: "I'm a star witness against President and Mrs. Clinton. . . . regarding the fundraising activities that I've done on behalf of the Clintons."



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To: UCANSEE2; Askel5
Hmmm, the changes made to my words are very telling indeed.
221 posted on 01/09/2005 6:02:15 PM PST by kattracks
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To: UCANSEE2

I'm going to write Ann Coulter and see if she -- a Constitutional Scholar and trusted conservative source can't get to the bottom of what happened and why.

When she told us we "must vote for Bush no matter what he does," she explained it was primarily for the fact he'd appoint conservative justices and thereby level the playing field of Justice.

(Save where the Clinton's are concerned, maybe. I guess it remains to be seen. I know this news bothers me but I have sneaking suspicion it's gonna be a real snoozer, media-wise.)


222 posted on 01/09/2005 6:03:02 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5

I am still reading your post.

But here is the applicable info on the ESCR, for those who are not familiar with Bush's statement (referred to by ASKEL5), and the actual policy, which are one in the same.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/policy/NIHFedPolicy.asp


223 posted on 01/09/2005 6:10:51 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: UCANSEE2; drt1
Here is an implied reference to that. -UCANSEE2

While I guess I don't really care - What ever happened to simply disclosing the indictment when it comes down, in the normal course. ANY interference by anyone in the process is wrong, whether it is to rush it or delay it for political or other advantage. 2 posted on 01/08/2005 2:17:44 PM CST by drt1

217 posted on 01/09/2005 7:54:10 PM CST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 211 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

Sounds like a very well reasoned comment to me. It still fails the test that Bush should use it to his own political advantage however. The honorable poster said no such thing.

224 posted on 01/09/2005 6:16:30 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: Askel5
Bush's decision on ESCR created a whole new window of Human Non-Personhood such that the general rules for "human experimentation" no longer applied.

Maybe you could explain the details to us ill-informed Democrats.

What WHOLE NEW WINDOW are you referring to?

As I read it, he supplemented the policy of the NIH by setting a cutoff date for using some cells, and limited further cell use as coming from reproductive sources.

And that is the part I am not clear on. Exactly what is considered a reproductive source?

The net effect is to suppress human experimentation (meaning using humans to obtain cells from (foetus's for example) in ESCR.

Right , or wrong?

225 posted on 01/09/2005 6:16:39 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: UCANSEE2

=== You must have a lot on your mind, and quite a prolific informational background, but it tends to hurt your communications as you veer this way


This is very true, unfortunately. Which is one reason, as tomorrow begins my return to Daily Mass Readings elsewhere and Sodality readings here, I'm thinking about just shutting the hell up entirely save for the occasional succinct, footnoted and sourced vanity post.

There are those who follow me (and spoil me in the process somewhat) but I am not suited, I guess, to this form of communication as a rule and should take a more disciplined approach so that I have some hope of reaching those -- like many on this thread -- whom I respect but who I think may be in error.

The trouble is that, however deadly serious I may be about begging Miss Marple to dummy up where the "pro-life" GOP is concerned, I actually hang out here because it's fun.

Maybe I should be more serious instead of inviting the (well-deserved) Cassandra treatment around here as a rule.

Thanks for the criticism, UCANSEE2. That, coupled with your very handle, is food for thought as "everything changes" for Askel tomorrow. =)


226 posted on 01/09/2005 6:18:32 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: kattracks
Hmmm, the changes made to my words are very telling indeed.

You got a good nose too Kattracks.

227 posted on 01/09/2005 6:23:50 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: kattracks; Askel5

The Clintons did violate the law, many times, and there is proof. Those things I believe.

Other things like Ron Brown, Vince Foster, are easy to believe due to the history of Bill and Hillary, and other circumstantial information.

But, sometimes planes just crash. Sometimes people do commit suicide.

So certain things about the Clintons I see as possible, but unproven.

I have heard them both lie to the public, repeatedly, for profit, and to protect their positions.

I do not trust them, and would not be surprised to find out that every rumor about them is true.

But beleiving the rumors because the MSM said so, or a Freeper said so, is not my cup of tea. Stating rumors as fact, same cup.


228 posted on 01/09/2005 6:30:35 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: Askel5
But if that be the case, I suspect Republicans in particular should be more cautious about rejoicing over some of what is reported as news these days ... much less fleshing out a story like this with all manner of righteous pats on the back for the sportsmanlike Republican leadership who stall the wheels of the Justice Department, even, lest the Clintons be embarrassed or they be accused of "taking no prisoners" during what I thought was a critical election of some sort.

But the concept that BUSH stalled the JD to protect the Clintons, or help Bush win the election, IS THE UNFOUNDED, UNPROVEN, OPINION of "an undocumented source, which told the TIMES, which fed it to Carl L, which you read.

You should quit shooting yourself in the foot.

(Unless you have some inside information from the President himself or his staff)

229 posted on 01/09/2005 6:35:54 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: UCANSEE2
So certain things about the Clintons I see as possible, but unproven.

In so many words, you don't want them indicted by the Bush administration either, right, wrong?

230 posted on 01/09/2005 6:39:35 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: Askel5
The media is all about creating division and discord amongst the Republicans.

Disagree, sir.

The media is all about hype and sensationalism for profit.

That the leaders of the Democratic party chose to USE the POWER of the PRESS for ILLICIT GAIN, which garnered loyalty from the MEDIA (along with a silent promise to act unbiased to keep the favorite son status).

The media doesn't give a hoot about DEMS or REPUBS. If they thought it would sell more airtime or newspapers, they would print every unbecoming act of Bill Clinton in a heartbeat.

231 posted on 01/09/2005 6:40:42 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: UCANSEE2
The media doesn't give a hoot about DEMS or REPUBS. If they thought it would sell more airtime or newspapers, they would print every unbecoming act of Bill Clinton in a heartbeat.

You are either insane or a democrat.

232 posted on 01/09/2005 6:45:19 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: Askel5
When she told us we "must vote for Bush no matter what he does,"

This would be a very illogical statement for a conservative type person to make. If she said it to me, I would laugh in her face.

(Save where the Clinton's are concerned, maybe. I guess it remains to be seen. I know this news bothers me but I have sneaking suspicion it's gonna be a real snoozer, media-wise.)

BTW, it's OKAY to talk to yourself, it's even OK to answer. Just as long as you don't say, "HUH?", or post it on a thread.

233 posted on 01/09/2005 6:46:40 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: bjs1779
Hello,

I'm confused. Was the poster (UCANSEE2) implying that I suggested that W should have used the indictment for political advantage? If so, you were right in your reading - I said no such thing and, in fact, said just the opposite - Arguing for COMPLETE agnosticism re: Things outside of the elections process (Of which this is one).

I'm surprised it could have been construed otherwise.

234 posted on 01/09/2005 6:48:46 PM PST by drt1
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To: bjs1779
The honorable poster said no such thing.

True. I said IMPLIED, and perhaps I was not clear about my use of that word.

I meant he/she referred to someone else stating that BUSH was doing this for advantage in the elections. (Hence: Implied Reference).

But, read to the end of the thread, and you will find a direct qoute.

235 posted on 01/09/2005 6:50:44 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: bjs1779
In so many words, you don't want them indicted by the Bush administration either, right, wrong?

I'm with Askel5 on this one. I would like to see him get to use the guillotine on them (legally, of course), for their proven crimes.

236 posted on 01/09/2005 6:54:57 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: drt1
I'm confused.

Was the poster (UCANSEE2) implying that I suggested that W should have used the indictment for political advantage? If so, you were right in your reading - I said no such thing and, in fact, said just the opposite - Arguing for COMPLETE agnosticism re: Things outside of the elections process (Of which this is one).

I'm surprised it could have been construed otherwise.

Yes drt1, UCANSEE2 was sticking up for soul seeker who thinks the Clintons should be left alone by the Bush administration. You are correct absolutely and they look silly.

237 posted on 01/09/2005 7:00:18 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: bjs1779
You are either insane or a democrat.

I'll take door number one, Monte.

: )

Seriously, what is it in my statement that makes you consider me insane/democrat/or both?

238 posted on 01/09/2005 7:04:33 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (>The government of our country was meant to be a servant of the people, not a master.)
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To: kattracks
My guess is that Bob Shrum will go to Jail. That would make him 0-9!

Pray for W and Our Troops

239 posted on 01/09/2005 7:04:43 PM PST by bray (The First of 4 More Years!)
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To: UCANSEE2
I'm with Askel5 on this one. I would like to see him get to use the guillotine on them (legally, of course), for their proven crimes.

You should try to be more consistant to avoid battering. Are you for indictment or not?

240 posted on 01/09/2005 7:06:40 PM PST by bjs1779
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