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Californians Dreaming of Secession?
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 1/11/05 | Susan Jones

Posted on 01/11/2005 10:00:38 AM PST by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - California could cut taxes, fully fund education and balance its budget by seceding from the United States, a newly organized group says.

The Committee to Explore California Secession, also known as Move On California, says it hopes to bring people together to consider the merits of an autonomous and independent California.

Those benefits would be both financial and political: "For every dollar Californians give to the federal government we see only 78-cents come back," the group's website says. It also expresses concern about "the diminishing voice of Californians in national politics" and "national trends that are tipping the balance in the direction of the religious conservative agenda."

[Contrary to what Move On California claims, California Republicans now chair six U.S. House committees, giving California more congressional clout than any other state, Fox News reported.]

Jeff Morrissette, the founder of Move On California, says the secession buzz began shortly after the November 2004 re-election of President Bush. But, he says, politicians from both parties object to subsidizing other states at a time "when those California tax dollars could be better spent at home to shore up our own fiscal problems."

According to Morrissette, if Californians could control the $40 billion that goes to pork barrel spending projects in other states every year, they could give state taxpayers a $20-billion tax cut and still have enough money to fully fund California spending priorities, specifically education, and balance the budget at the same time.

Morrissette says momentum is building for the California secession movement. "While secession may be a long-shot," he says, "it will succeed in bringing awareness to many of the grievances California has politically, socially and fiscally."

"Californians are getting pushed around and it's time we pushed back," he said.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
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To: kattracks

Can you see California with a miltary? They could have two very unique divisions for the miltary. One would be the pink squad.. and the one would be the infamous green card division.

I'm shaking all ready.


21 posted on 01/11/2005 10:10:36 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Smokin' Joe

LOL!

Give them the Channel Islands but no boats.

Drop em off

and forget em!


22 posted on 01/11/2005 10:10:57 AM PST by HMFIC (The Peace Symbol is the FOOTPRINT of the American CHICKEN!)
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To: CzarNicky

Ya...we would just let them go. It's what we've always done in the past when states have attempted it.


23 posted on 01/11/2005 10:11:03 AM PST by Durus
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To: kattracks
If California secedes, the Democrats lose 56 electoral votes.

And I'll move to Texas.

24 posted on 01/11/2005 10:11:32 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: kattracks

The secession of California should be the goal of every true patriot. If they leave the Union, we should put up a big wall and not let any of them out (after first giving all real Americans trapped there a decent opportunity to join us). Most bad ideas start in California and eventually pollute the rest of the country.


25 posted on 01/11/2005 10:12:01 AM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: kattracks

Great, Less Electoral Votes for the DIMs! FR may have to relocate though....


26 posted on 01/11/2005 10:12:12 AM PST by KoRn
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To: democrats_nightmare

"Just cut off the infection from the BLUE counties on the coastline and we will keep the good RED ones...there are lots of good RED counties in California"

Remember, there are a lot of us good "red" people living in the bluest of the blue areas of this insane state.


27 posted on 01/11/2005 10:12:19 AM PST by Owl558 (Please excuse my poor spelling)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Only if Arnold gets to be President lol, with the kind of Liberals you get in California we would go broke in no time.


28 posted on 01/11/2005 10:13:06 AM PST by grizzly84
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To: kattracks
California could cut taxes, fully fund education and balance its budget by seceding from the United States, a newly organized group says.

Perhaps, but they would have substabtial difficulty finding enough water and electricity to go around.

29 posted on 01/11/2005 10:15:50 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: kattracks
...they could give state taxpayers a $20-billion tax cut and still have enough money to fully fund California spending priorities

uh...yeah, right. That'll happen.

30 posted on 01/11/2005 10:15:56 AM PST by Lekker 1
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To: kattracks
"Californians are getting pushed around and it's time we pushed back," he said.

Boxer, Pelosi, Waters, Waxman, and countless other worthless democrat politicians have run this state into the ground.
Starting a new country is not going to solve the problem.
As somebody once said "We have found the enemy, and it is us"
31 posted on 01/11/2005 10:16:11 AM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election...........get over it)
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To: democrats_nightmare

Ditto that... the red counties/cities are growing. They should carve the state around all the blue counties and cities and give them a little push into the pacific so it can attach to Mexico.


32 posted on 01/11/2005 10:17:10 AM PST by newfrpr04
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To: kattracks

But it is illegal to secede from the Federal Union. The Federal government will go to war to prevent it. See what happened between 1861 and 1865.


33 posted on 01/11/2005 10:17:32 AM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: kattracks

There are MANY who'd like to see California secede (both within and from outside it), for a large variety of reasons.

I must say none of my reasons are in concert with this group's.


34 posted on 01/11/2005 10:20:17 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (Better to have government by the masses than government by the asses.)
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To: kattracks

Even though this is blue group craziness, I think the consensus on the secession concept is, no you can't seceed once you join the union, and (maybe unfortunately), once you are a state in the union, we can't kick you out, either...


35 posted on 01/11/2005 10:20:37 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Almondjoy
Can you see California with a miltary? They could have two very unique divisions for the miltary. One would be the pink squad.. and the one would be the infamous green card division. I'm shaking all ready.

we'll excuse your ignorance, but the most decorated infantry division, the First Marine Division of the United States Marine Corps is based at Camp Pendleton which FYI is in the Golden State of California.
36 posted on 01/11/2005 10:21:13 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: teenyelliott

We might be willing to go with that. Beautiful country!


37 posted on 01/11/2005 10:21:35 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (Better to have government by the masses than government by the asses.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
no you can't seceed once you join the union, and (maybe unfortunately), once you are a state in the union, we can't kick you out, either...

Seems the Framers knew what they were doing when they left out any Constitutional mechanism for secession. Of course, that could be solved by amendment.

38 posted on 01/11/2005 10:22:47 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (Better to have government by the masses than government by the asses.)
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To: kattracks

And they think this is something the rest of us would regret? I was rather stunned yesterday evening to see a TV report that virtually EVERY major committee in the new congress is chaired by a California Republican. That's a lot of power for a group that can't win their state for a Republican president in the last four elections. Somehow it doesn't seem fair.


39 posted on 01/11/2005 10:23:22 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Almondjoy
Can you see California with a miltary? They could have two very unique divisions for the miltary. One would be the pink squad.. and the one would be the infamous green card division.

Comedian.

Aside from the CA National Guard (40th ID - Golden Bears), there is the CA State Military Reserve.

Plus the legions of California servicemembers, Army, Navy, Marine, Air Force and Coast Guard bases already here.

40 posted on 01/11/2005 10:24:23 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (Better to have government by the masses than government by the asses.)
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