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Democrats Turn to Leader of Religious Left
New York Times ^ | January 17, 2005 | DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Posted on 01/17/2005 12:20:04 AM PST by nickcarraway

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To: goldstategop

addendum;

If It Feels Good, And We Your Annointed Elite Tell You To, Do It.


41 posted on 01/17/2005 1:52:11 AM PST by swilhelm73 (Like the archers of Agincourt, ... the Swiftboat Veterans took down their own haughty Frenchman.)
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To: piasa

Same old bs is correct!


42 posted on 01/17/2005 2:15:47 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: little jeremiah

All of this post election bs is just a big con game to convince the moderates that the liberals are nice main stream Americans.

It hasn't worked in recent elections, and it will not work in future elections.


43 posted on 01/17/2005 2:18:19 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: nickcarraway; little jeremiah; piasa; PhilDragoo; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Southack; Nasty McPhilthy

The rats keep trying to hitch their broken wagons up to dead and dying donkeys.

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Democrat Implosion
Mens News Daily ^ | January 16, 2005 | Rudy Takala


Posted on 01/16/2005 9:29:28 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy


As the day of President Bush’s inauguration draws near, liberal organizations seem to be on the brink of implosion; they don’t know what policies to pursue, they don’t know who their chairman should be, and they don’t know whether they should attack the presidential inauguration as a bourgeoisie-perpetrated fraud or as simply too expensive.

Just recently on C-Span, a group of anarchists could be observed planning a protest to the inaugural ceremony. Other liberals have accused Bush of stealing 118,000 votes in Ohio. But as of late, the primary argument that they’ve asserted for the pursuit of their policies is that Bush doesn’t really have a mandate because the majority of Americans don’t really like the Republicans.

For example, the pro-abortion group NARAL recently sent an e-mail to its members stating, "As he prepares to begin his second term, Bush and his allies are using their trumped up 'mandate' to justify their dangerous and divisive anti-choice agenda. But if winning a slim majority of votes is enough to convince the President of his 'mandate,' then we would like to remind President Bush of just one thing: A majority of Americans supports a woman's right to choose.”

Which, apparently, is why NARAL opposes allowing Americans to vote on abortion. Roe v. Wade made abortion legal and prohibited the individual states from contradicting its legality; Roe v. Wade’s abolition would do nothing but allow the people to vote on it. It’s ironic that the majority of Americans are precisely what NARAL fears.

With regard to the “mandate,” it appears to be a point that the Democrats will continue to stress until the next election. Greg Mitchell ofEditor and Publisher wrote on November fifth, “It’s true that President Bush got more votes than any winning candidate for president in history. He also had more people voting against him than any winning candidate for president in history.” And in a recent e-mail of his own, James Carville wrote, “Bush and the Republicans can only get their way in 2005 if we Democrats forget our own power. They only win if we choose to stop fighting. But if we stick together, we can transform American politics." He spoke of "bullying political tactics and [Bush’s] ‘dangerous’ second-term agenda." Unfortunately, he didn’t elaborate on what “bullying tactics” Republicans were intent on using; most likely, it was the threat of campaigning against the Democrats’ positions.

On an issue related to their future response to these malicious tactics, they will also have to choose a new national chairman for their party in early February. Candidates for the position include Howard Dean and a former representative from Indiana, the pro-life Tim Roemer. The candidates have been focusing profusely on their future strategy in relation to Southern states. According to Howard Dean, his Southern strategy is to “show up." Tim Roemer said it wasn’t about “steering the bus” left or right, but rather “about expanding the bus."

But of course, the chances that they’ll elect a nationally palatable candidate such as Roemer are poor; the chairman of the Massachusetts Democrats has already referred to it as “extremely foolish.”

If Democrats wish to win elections again, they really must “steer the bus right” on cultural issues. In every election they lose, they fault the result on their own inability to “get their message out.” They fault it on their failure to “show up” and scream emphatically at rallies. However, in a nation where two parties constitute the extent of the political system, it’s a weak excuse. America is a nation in which a candidate for president can scream at a rally in Iowa and become the subject of radio stations in all fifty states within hours. Their defeat had more to do with the unpopularity of their ideas than their inability to explain them.

They appear to have come to a dim realization of this, as they haven’t expressed much interest in “the issues” in recent days. Rather, they’ve attacked Republicans as “dangerous,” “unpopular,” and “anti-choice.” Unfortunately, getting the message out about how unpopular Republicans are is not and will not become a very convincing tactic.

Democrats will win again eventually, as politics will continue to undergo its inevitable cycles. However, it will be some time before NARAL, Carville, the anarchists, and numerous other Democrats make the adjustments necessary for this to occur.


44 posted on 01/17/2005 2:25:00 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( The MSM has been a weapon of mass disinformation for the Rats for at least 4 decades.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Just like sKerry was a Catholic....

These people are religious in name only.

They cant even talk the talk... much less walk the walk, and its so evident to everyone but themselves.


46 posted on 01/17/2005 2:59:27 AM PST by esoxmagnum
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To: nickcarraway

The democrats just don't get it.


48 posted on 01/17/2005 3:24:44 AM PST by Beckwith (John, you said I was going to be the First Lady. As of now, you're on the couch.)
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To: piasa
Good find.

Check this out - socialists paving the way for a superchurch. THE TRUTH ABOUT THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES

49 posted on 01/17/2005 3:31:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lancey Howard

I think they've done all that already.


50 posted on 01/17/2005 4:09:17 AM PST by thoughtomator (Meet the new Abbas, same as the old Abbas)
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To: nickcarraway

The Bible's warning against false prophets can also apply to political leaders: By their fruits you will know them.
Watch what they do, not what they say. See if they are in favor of abolishing abortion and condemning gay marriage. Those are the benchmarks in the fight over morals at this time.


51 posted on 01/17/2005 4:15:34 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Choose Ye This Day
I wonder how many Bible references there are to mandatory, forced redistribution of wealth from haves to have nots, with no success in alleviating, much less in eliminating, poverty among a society.

Now that you mention it, something does come to mind...I recall Jesus telling some rich young fella to sell everything he owned and give the proceeds to the poor...'Course it's a matter of free will...You don't have to do anything...Well, that's not quite so accurate...You DO have to go to Hell, if you don't go to heaven...

52 posted on 01/17/2005 4:26:50 AM PST by Iscool
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To: nickcarraway

bttt


53 posted on 01/17/2005 4:30:52 AM PST by aberaussie
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To: Grampa Dave

"Just recently on C-Span, a group of anarchists could be observed planning a protest to the inaugural ceremony"

Anarchists planning? How does that work, each individual having his/her own plan?


54 posted on 01/17/2005 4:34:25 AM PST by nuke rocketeer
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To: nickcarraway
"A few days later, Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts echoed some of the same themes in a speech, calling for the party to "speak more directly to the issues of deep conscience"

This, from a man who, on a good day, has no conscience....and on a bad day, isn't even conscience.....

55 posted on 01/17/2005 4:35:57 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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Mr. Wallis, a registered Democrat, told the senators that the Bible contains more than 3,000 references to alleviating poverty. He said Democrats needed to do a better job of explaining the moral and religious foundations of policies intended to help the poor, protect the environment and reduce violence.

Wallis ought to read The Tragedy of American Compassion by Marvin O'Lasky if he wants to read about the proper approach to alleviating poverty. The welfare state mind set leads to generational poverty and hopelessness. Wallis is a product of the 60's generation who can never seem to get over themselves or admit that their cure for what ails America was nothing more than Marxist snake oil.

56 posted on 01/17/2005 4:39:07 AM PST by aardvark1 (Something was seared in my memory but I forgot what it was.)
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To: nickcarraway

The left "marrying" Jim Wallis is like Esau marrying one of Ishmael's daughters. Coming close to the truth, but no banana.


57 posted on 01/17/2005 5:53:50 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: goldstategop

True. But Clinton's now making what? $100K per speech on the lecture circuit? How big was his book deal? He is still profiting mightily from his deceits. Not politically anymore, but in many other ways.


58 posted on 01/17/2005 6:46:27 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Socialism failed. Bush won. Wellstone is dead. Get over it, DUmmies!)
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To: nickcarraway
Yes the religious left... so true..
The world enforces morality by two means; gov't and religion..
Two sides of the same coin...

Even Stalin and Mao used religion while openly preaching dogma against it..

Jesus came to make ALL religion obsolete, yet we have many "Christian" religions.. Seems the "sheep" will have a religion even if its run by a cabal of wolves.. maybe the "sheep" are destined to be sheared and used as farm animals to be farmed.. i.e. Socialism.. Communism.. and other forms of materialism.. dialectic or otherwise... like in Canada or URP..

59 posted on 01/17/2005 7:05:30 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: nickcarraway

"The Democratic Party has increasingly had a problem as being perceived as secular fundamentalists."

Hmmmmm? Could that perception come from THEIR ANTI-CHRISTIAN ACTIONS ..?? Removal of GOD from everything; no school prayer; attacking the Boy Scouts; removal of Nativity scenes from public view .. etc., while forcing Muslim instruction and Muslim dress in our schools; allowing Muslim prayer rooms at schools, while Christian children are ridiculed for praying.

I'd say our "perception" of their attitudes and beliefs is right on target. If they want the public to BELIEVE something else about them - then their ACTIONS have to change.


60 posted on 01/17/2005 8:15:55 AM PST by CyberAnt (Where are the dem supporters? - try the trash cans in back of the abortion clinics.)
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