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Lessons From NYC Actress' Death (Nicole duFresne shouldn't have taunted mugger...)
CBS News ^ | February 3, 2005 | Tom Hays

Posted on 02/03/2005 6:00:06 PM PST by Gondring

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To: Cicero
"Daring him to shoot you is about the dumbest I can think of. But making him think you are completely helpless and will do anything he demands is not smart, either"

They are both excellent feints. As bluffs they depend on the cards in the attackers head.

61 posted on 02/03/2005 6:22:40 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Milwaukeeprophet

Whatever. You keep believing that.


62 posted on 02/03/2005 6:22:47 PM PST by cyborg
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To: LauraleeBraswell

She was old enough and mature enough to make up her own mind. Her prior upbringing is a minor point. It's the "here and now" that matters.


63 posted on 02/03/2005 6:23:01 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Smoke-free since January 16, 2005)
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To: Gondring
"Regardless of what the victim said or did not say, the person responsible for her death is the one who pulled the trigger," Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said earlier this week.

If some idiot criminal punk is holding a gun aimed at you. Try not to taunt. Its not television, its real life. There won't be reruns and royalties.

While the shooter should be executed in public, IMO, that is a really stupid thing to say to a man with a gun.

Oh, Darwin Award nominee?

64 posted on 02/03/2005 6:24:15 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: opinionator



Harsher penalties deter crime.




65 posted on 02/03/2005 6:24:18 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Everything in the lives of all concerned led up to that moment. None of them could have acted any different. It's one of those deals where everything changes in an instant because of a couple wrong choices.


66 posted on 02/03/2005 6:24:50 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: shellshocked
She should have been armed and blew the sonofbitch away.

This happend in NYC. They've got the toughest gun laws in the country, next to Washington, DC.

67 posted on 02/03/2005 6:25:35 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Smoke-free since January 16, 2005)
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To: durasell

Ok, then my only other advice is to practice your snap shot and use hollow points. Good luck.


68 posted on 02/03/2005 6:25:46 PM PST by deaconjim (Freep the world!)
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To: deaconjim

I just play the odds...


69 posted on 02/03/2005 6:26:21 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Gondring

You know, 15 years ago, I remember watching this guy with a giant mustache talking about how to deal with muggers.

He said, when confronted with a gun, grab your wallet and throw it away, run in the opposite direction. He stated most fatal gunshots occur within 10 feet, beyond 10 feet, chances of getting a fatal hit drop to almost zero. I don't know who he is, but some freeper will prolly identify him, but it's damn good advice. Unless you can blow the scumbag away, toss yer wallet and run. He also said to women, NEVER get in the vehicle. If you do, you're most likely going to be killed. If you get a chance to run, do it, beyond 10 feet, you're probably going to live.

I think that was really good advice and Ms. Dufrane prolly never heard it.


70 posted on 02/03/2005 6:26:26 PM PST by Malsua
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To: cyborg; Clemenza



Do you remember being 14?

She didn't pull the trigger.


71 posted on 02/03/2005 6:26:33 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: Cicero

I think the poor girl panicked, in her way.


72 posted on 02/03/2005 6:26:37 PM PST by maro
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To: Milwaukeeprophet

BTW, pray tell how are YOU going to make it happen in ONE generation? You sound a little off balance to me, considering the rural areas will be reaping the whirlwind of crystal meth in pretty much the same way that crack went through big inner cities. So let's here your plan for the black crime problem.


73 posted on 02/03/2005 6:26:58 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Gondring
Whatever she may have said or done occurred at 3 a.m. after leaving a bar. She probably could have avoided being shot by being more submissive.

I know there's some sentiment around here, largely unspoken, that another leftie got wasted because she either wasn't carrying a gun, somehow deserved it because she was a leftie, or was somehow asking for it.

That's just wrong.

She didn't deserve this at all.

74 posted on 02/03/2005 6:27:02 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Alberta's Child

If that is not an accurate quote. I wonder how it got started?


75 posted on 02/03/2005 6:27:19 PM PST by GeronL (2-7-72 is my birthday, in lieu of gifts, just send me cash)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I would not have been out at three in the morning with four other thugs on the weekend. I had a mother interested in my life.


76 posted on 02/03/2005 6:27:40 PM PST by cyborg
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Do you remember being 14?

Hanging out with the wrong people is bad judgment. She shouldn't go to prison for bad judgment.

She did not kill that woman. And she turned herself in to the police.
77 posted on 02/03/2005 6:28:32 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( There's no Double Talk from Dubya!)
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To: durasell
That doesn't one iota of sense.
If none of them could have acted any different then there could be no wrong choices.
Indeed, there couldn't have been any choice whatever.
78 posted on 02/03/2005 6:29:13 PM PST by Tweaker
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To: spunkets

Robbery is how they finance themselves, but the self-esteem part is VERY true. The lefties don't like this part, but good research has shown that the thing leading to this violence is not LOW self-esteem, but when someone's self-esteem is threatened. In other words, if we prop it up artificially, it is more likely to be threatened, leading violent reactions to try to preserve the false self-image.


79 posted on 02/03/2005 6:29:20 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: cyborg

I've seen the crystal meth people -- much more scary than crack heads.

Man, I miss good old fashioned junkies.


80 posted on 02/03/2005 6:29:35 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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