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PA: No Smoke, No Peace
Pittsburgh City Paper ^ | 2/17/2005 | MARTY LEVINE

Posted on 02/21/2005 9:42:02 AM PST by SheLion

 They had me until the Nazis marched in. 

Even before a Michigan company called Weyco fired four employees on Feb. 9 because they wouldn’t quit smoking -- the company hoped to save a little money on health insurance -- Smokers Club was sounding the alarm about cigarette bans.

“The World Is In A Smoking War,” ran the headline on the notice e-mailed Jan. 10 from Smokers Club national honcho Samantha Phillipe. “Smoking Bans Kill People.”

“This failed experiment in modifying human behavior is killing people and it has to stop now,” she wrote. “Death certificates from secondary smoke exposure are zero, while death certificates from smoking bans and making a legal product politically incorrect are rising.”

The carnage is detailed on the group’s “Ban Damage” Web page, via www.smokersclubinc.com. In Massachusetts late last year, a college kid died after falling off a balcony; he had, perhaps, stepped out to smoke. In Colorado two years ago, a woman was shot and killed outside a bar, suspiciously near where smokers congregate. Near Pretoria, South Africa, just after Christmas, two guys were arguing about smoking when they took out a gun, struggled with it, and caught a little kid in the crossfire.

All this Web page needs is a pop-up Dan Aykroyd intoning, “Another smoking-related death, Jane,” to make the picture complete.

Smokers Club has a mid-Atlantic regional director, Michael McFadden of Philadelphia, who couldn’t have been more reasonable. Except for the Nazi stuff.

Even though I would ban smoking from the face of the earth -- screw health, the stuff just smells bad -- even I can see that Weyco was way out of line. I expected McFadden to agree. 

“I think he had a right to do it,” McFadden says of Weyco’s chief. “He has just as much right to say, ‘I just want smokers here -- I don’t want to pay out pensions.’”

McFadden, apparently, is not your average cigarette advocate. He convinced Manhattan College to make him their first “peace studies” major in 1973, he says. Then it was on to “peace research” toward a doctorate -- never completed -- at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School. He spent post-college years knocking on doors on behalf of the Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy.

“That background made me very aware of propaganda techniques, the way the government promotes war, and fallacious argument techniques, [like] waving babies in the air,” McFadden says. “The anti-smoking movement does the same thing: ‘We’re doing it for the children’ -- even though they’re primarily trying to get rid of smoking in bars.

“They very much do smell of Big Brother,” he concludes. 

His epuffany, so to speak, came in the ’70s, when one of his housemates brought home anti-smoking literature that was “very disruptive to the community,” he says.

Now, at 53, he’s been doing nothing but volunteer pro-smoking work for the past three years. That, and ordering River City No. 2 in pound bags from Kentucky and rolling his own on a special machine he got from Canada.

His book, Dissecting Antismokers’ Brains, is available at his Web site, cantiloper.tripod.com. The first review McFadden displays calls the current anti-smoking push -- wait for it -- “the most astonishing political saga since the rise of Adolf Hitler …” Neither this review, nor apparently McFadden’s book, can resist quoting German pastor Martin Niemoller’s famous warning. You know the one: “They first came for the Communists and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews …”

McFadden does warn of a next victim: alcohol drinkers. 

Current public aversion to smoke is the product of sensitivity training more than actual physical aversion, he says. Holding our collective noses at alcohol’s fumes could be next.

In tobacco smoke, there are 6 class-A carcinogens -- ones that give cancer to humans -- he explains. (“The other 44 aren’t class A,” he adds. Not very reassuring, but OK.) Together, the class-A nasties add up to only one milligram per cigarette.

One full gram’s worth of the class-A carcinogen ethyl alcohol, on the other hand, can evaporate from pure alcohol each hour, he says: “If you’re sitting across the room, you’re breathing it, and I’m giving you cancer.” 

There are 600 footnotes in McFadden’s book, and already my head is swimming from trying to calculate the relative deadliness of cigarettes smoked and drinks un-drunk. Sort of like what it feels like to spend a couple of hours in a smoky bar, even when I haven’t smoked or drunk anything alcoholic.


Except I don’t have the impulse to burn my clothes now.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: addiction; addicts; antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; fda; individualliberty; lawmakers; maine; niconazis; professional; prohibitionists; regulation; rinos; senate; smoking; stench; taxes; tobacco

1 posted on 02/21/2005 9:42:07 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; Cantiloper; ...

2 posted on 02/21/2005 9:42:42 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: SheLion

"McFadden does warn of a next victim: alcohol drinkers"

The obese. If Big Bussiness really thinks it can save costs by firing smokers, the Micky D's crew is next.


3 posted on 02/21/2005 9:57:53 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: SheLion

Despite my support of smoker's and personal property rights, I fail to see how smoking bans lead to people's deaths. In most of these cases, it could be said that it's the smoking that causes people to die, not the ban.


4 posted on 02/21/2005 10:08:15 AM PST by wmichgrad ("The man is insane. He has lost his mind" Rush Limbaugh 1/28/05 re: Sen. Kennedy's remarks on Iraq)
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To: SheLion

If I ever find a rolling machine that won't fall apart after using it for a week I will buy it. I have only ever seen one kind available. The one that constantly jams up.


5 posted on 02/21/2005 10:09:54 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

Are you talking about the Supermatic Premiere?


6 posted on 02/21/2005 10:14:29 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe
I don't remember the name of it. If you get a little too much tobacco in it, it jams, if you don't get enough in it you are smoking paper with some loose tobacco in it.

My wife can hand roll a cigarette perfectly and that's odd because she has never smoked cigarettes. Make me think mmmmm wonder she picked up that skill.

7 posted on 02/21/2005 10:21:59 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
I've found that the most jams on my machine come from a thin buildup of tobacco on the blade that closes over the tobacco chamber.

Since I have my scissors right there to trim the butt ends as I make them, I scrape the residue off about every fourth to tenth cigarette and everything works fine.

The only other cause of jamming that I've encountered is trying to use the too fine chafe at the bag bottom without mixing it with some long cut.

Or you could just be overloading the chamber.

I hope that helps.

8 posted on 02/21/2005 10:40:43 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: SheLion

HI,
I need a medical answer about nicotine testinig, please, if anyone knows.
What kind of testing do docs do, blood or urine, and how long does nicotine stay in system?
Reason I am asking, is lied to doc aboout quitting, sorta, and am going in for big surgery, doc won't do unless I am "clean", so need to know when the deadliine is before going to doc.
Apprreciate any feedback, thanks.


9 posted on 02/21/2005 10:42:28 AM PST by oreolady (new tagline, 11/3 OUR GW IS HERE TO STAY!!!)
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To: SheLion

bump for question


10 posted on 02/21/2005 10:43:55 AM PST by oreolady (new tagline, 11/3 OUR GW IS HERE TO STAY!!!)
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To: oreolady
Life Rule #1. - Never lie to your doctor.

Life Rule #2. - Always lie to your lawyer.

11 posted on 02/21/2005 10:45:20 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: SheLion
“I think he had a right to do it,” McFadden says of Weyco’s chief. “He has just as much right to say, ‘I just want smokers here --'

Bullcrap. Try that hiring policy, but have your appointment with your attorney set up beforehand.

12 posted on 02/21/2005 10:46:11 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: oreolady

The urine test kits used by employers will detect nicotine from two to four days after smoking a cigarette. You can buy these test kits online for $9.95. The test your doctor uses is probaby even more sensitive. Nicotine is easier to detect than most illegal drugs.
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13 posted on 02/21/2005 10:53:24 AM PST by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: wmichgrad
Despite my support of smoker's and personal property rights, I fail to see how smoking bans lead to people's deaths. In most of these cases, it could be said that it's the smoking that causes people to die, not the ban.

I used to date a female university professor who smoked (she eventually quit when she got pneumonia and had to stay in an oxygen tent for a while). She used to complain that the anti-smoking policy of her university meant that smokers had to go outside, even in the winter, making them more likely to get sick from exposure to the cold. I guess she was right.

14 posted on 02/21/2005 11:29:22 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at http://www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: Graybeard58; Just another Joe
I have been using this one for over 4 years. Although I do wear them out, but NOT in a month. hehe The one I am using now has been in use for almost 5 months.


15 posted on 02/21/2005 11:39:08 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: mugs99; oreolady
The urine test kits used by employers will detect nicotine from two to four days after smoking a cigarette. You can buy these test kits online for $9.95. The test your doctor uses is probaby even more sensitive. Nicotine is easier to detect than most illegal drugs. ...

Thanks so much for answering her question. I have been scratching my head trying to remember how they tested for nicotine!!

16 posted on 02/21/2005 11:41:52 AM PST by SheLion (The America we once knew and loved ........................is gone.)
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To: SheLion
scratching my head trying to remember how they tested for nicotine!!

Interesting side note...Some of the companies selling the test kits also sell products that allow smokers to pass the urine test. Don't know if they'd work on a hospital blood test though.
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17 posted on 02/21/2005 12:02:22 PM PST by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: oreolady

I know that they used to also use Carbon Monoxide testing (blowing into a machine) to detect if someone has been smoking. Don't know the specifics, though.


18 posted on 02/21/2005 1:19:26 PM PST by Born Conservative (I need a new tagline. Any suggestions?)
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To: SheLion
Now, at 53, he’s been doing nothing but volunteer pro-smoking work for the past three years. That, and ordering River City No. 2 in pound bags from Kentucky and rolling his own on a special machine he got from Canada.

OOoohhhh! I'll have to look this feller up.
19 posted on 02/22/2005 2:04:42 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Graybeard58

It works better for me if the tobacco's only very, very slightly moist. I have a spray bottle and give a one-pound bag a squirt and let it set for a day before rolling it. Works great, so far.

OH! And, I have the same model machine that SheLion's got. Ain't broke it yet, though.


20 posted on 02/22/2005 2:21:21 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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