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China charges U.S. monopolizes the Internet, seeks global control
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/breaking2453432.0569444443.html ^

Posted on 03/02/2005 10:54:32 AM PST by Spackidagoosh

China charges U.S. monopolizes the Internet, seeks global control

Special to World Tribune.com EAST-ASIA-INTEL.COM Wednesday, March 2, 2005 China's ambassador to the United Nations last week called for international controls on the Internet.

Chinese Ambassador Sha Zukang told a UN conference that controls should be multilateral, transparent and democratic, with the full involvement of governments, the private sector, civil society and international organizations.

"It should ensure an equitable distribution of resources, facilitate access for all and ensure a stable and secure functioning," he said at the conference on Internet governance.

Sha said China opposes the "monopolization" of the Internet by one state, a reference to the Untied States, which ultimately controls the digital medium.

"It is of crucial importance to conduct research on establishing a multilateral governance mechanism that is more rational and just and more conducive to the Internet development in a direction of stable, secure and responsible functioning and more conducive to the continuous technological innovation," he said. China's communist government fears the Internet would dilute Beijing's control over its population, as information passes unfiltered throughout the country and outside of strict government censorship.

China strictly prohibits any public criticism of the ruling communist party and closely monitors and censors Internet usage. Periodically, Chinese security forces raid Internet cafes and arrest people who violate Chinese rules.

Sha said China has 94 million Internet users out of a worldwide total of about 810 million.


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To: Bikers4Bush
they *ARE* building their own -- sometimes called Internet3, or IPv9 i believe - not compatible with IPv4 or 6 of course.

makes it easy for the "democratic" loving Red Chinese elites to control what the hoi polloi see on their computers.

in the meantime, they are building up a lot of IPv6 too, in order to have the technological edge? guess again -- IPv6 make monitoring and tracking source/destination IP addresses *much* easier, allowing the ChiCom government to track down illegal sites and computers that access them...

these guys are the biggest hypocrites. the laugher is that information is like the universal solvent and *CANNOT* really be controlled or contained -- it'll eat through anything. Tienamin Square came about through coordination facilitated via the lowly FAX machines...

61 posted on 03/02/2005 2:12:27 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: tfecw; All
knowledge + communism = revolution

Just imagine the power of the blogosphere if unleased in China. That's why China wants "International" control of the internet.

62 posted on 03/02/2005 2:13:42 PM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: Guillermo
Panama sold us the land too, if I'm not mistaken...

Yes, you are correct. We paid Panama and private property owners for every square inch of that land.

63 posted on 03/02/2005 2:59:08 PM PST by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: international american

You're right. The "dumb southerner" thing is just an act.

This man "certified" the election of Hugo Chavez, among others.


64 posted on 03/02/2005 3:43:51 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite
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To: Spackidagoosh

Well, at least we know who the sponsor is in the UN...


65 posted on 03/02/2005 3:52:46 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: chilepepper

bump IPv9


66 posted on 03/02/2005 3:53:37 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: superiorslots

Any day now, just you wait! ;)


67 posted on 03/02/2005 4:45:15 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Spackidagoosh

From the article..."China strictly prohibits any public criticism of the ruling communist party and closely monitors and censors Internet usage. Periodically, Chinese security forces raid Internet cafes and arrest people who violate Chinese rules."

Some libertarian types on this site who know computers and the internet and who deplore the government meddling in THEIR affairs think its just peachy to do business with these creeps.

Beats me. What would Ayn do in this instance?


68 posted on 03/02/2005 4:56:26 PM PST by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

By far, the worst president in our history.


69 posted on 03/02/2005 6:07:03 PM PST by international american (Tagline now fireproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Someone should start a firm that prints "Not Made in China" labels. That way, things get to be a lot simpler for all of us, if these labels are used on products. Downside for the moment is, the person who prints out these labels will make a lot of money...

A good idea!

Now in order to get thousands of them for a good price, they would have to be manufactured in China.

So you would end up with containers coming to our ports full of labels that say in big letters "NOT MADE IN CHINA" and then on the back of each one in small print it would say "label printed in China."

70 posted on 03/02/2005 6:22:15 PM PST by Syncro
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To: chilepepper
IPV9 looks like an interesting way to pinch off the chinese internet and they could force conformity to that network standard on their ISP's. It looks like an IPv6 packet with double the header space and is intercepted by 'their' DNS equivalent servers and filtered.

Some hacker can have a field day with fragmented packet DDOS against IPv9 systems. Packet overhead could kill this thing on the spot.

71 posted on 03/02/2005 7:20:28 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: Spackidagoosh

China and their global civil society should grow up and act like adults. Is there something wrong with their mental functions? Anybody can add nodes; China could add nodes and even let their own citizens browse in total freedom if they felt like it.


72 posted on 03/02/2005 7:23:15 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Centurion2000
From www.ChinaTechNews.com (July 1 article)

Based on a ten-digit computing method, IPv9 has its own address protocol, nameplate protocol, transitional protocol, and digital domain name regulations and standards as stated by Mr. Xie Jianping, founder of the IPv9 protocol and leader of the Ten-Digit Network Technology Standard Team. Along with being compatible with IPv4 and IPv6, IPv9 can also realize logistic separations between them and safely control them

i was wrong to say it is "incompatible" w/ IPv4/6, more correct is to say it is "selectively compatable", ie - the government decides what is allowed through or not.

the problem for the PRC is that the chinese are excellent programmers, and my guess is that the better ones are sociologically predisposed to work to defeat something like IPv9 rather than to strenghten the hand of an increasingly tyrannical military oligarchy...

73 posted on 03/02/2005 7:33:49 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Centurion2000
From www.ChinaTechNews.com (July 1 article)

Based on a ten-digit computing method, IPv9 has its own address protocol, nameplate protocol, transitional protocol, and digital domain name regulations and standards as stated by Mr. Xie Jianping, founder of the IPv9 protocol and leader of the Ten-Digit Network Technology Standard Team. Along with being compatible with IPv4 and IPv6, IPv9 can also realize logistic separations between them and safely control them

i was wrong to say it is "incompatible" w/ IPv4/6, more correct is to say it is "selectively compatable", ie - the government decides what is allowed through or not.

the problem for the PRC is that the chinese are excellent programmers, and my guess is that the better ones are sociologically predisposed to work to defeat something like IPv9 rather than to strenghten the hand of an increasingly tyrannical military oligarchy...

74 posted on 03/02/2005 7:34:09 PM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Semper Paratus

shouldn't that be "cold dead finger"?


75 posted on 03/02/2005 7:34:24 PM PST by ampat
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To: Bikers4Bush
You forgot the golden Chinese rule.

Whats mine is mine, whats yours is mine too.

76 posted on 03/02/2005 7:36:01 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: chilepepper
i was wrong to say it is "incompatible" w/ IPv4/6, more correct is to say it is "selectively compatable", ie - the government decides what is allowed through or not.

In other words the nation of China would be behind a combination of a firewall and a GIANT Websense blocker (http filter).

77 posted on 03/02/2005 8:28:38 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Nations do not survive by setting examples for others. Nations survive by making examples of others)
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To: superiorslots
We just want a cheap dvd and don't care if they have nukes pointed at us.

Unfortunately, you don't win a prize, but you managed to sum up our relationship with China in under 20 words.
78 posted on 03/03/2005 10:59:22 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Bikers4Bush

I would be willing to bet that our country has a protocol that runs transparent to the TCP/IP protocol in order to monitor illegal activity..


79 posted on 03/03/2005 11:02:52 AM PST by todd1
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer); E Rocc; Guillermo
...The secretary of state hastily negotiated the Hay-Herrán Treaty in 1903, a proposed agreement that would have given the U.S. the necessary lease rights for canal construction in the Panama....

...In 1977, President Jimmy Carter signed the Panama Canal Treaty, which provided for the return of the canal to Panama in the year 2000.!!!


80 posted on 03/03/2005 11:11:17 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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