Tancredo considers White House bid

World Net Daily ^ | 3/28/2005

[international american]

You win, or...nobody wishes to converse with you. I report, you decide : )

[LegendHasIt]

" We reject the new Latino-Jewish Leadership Council to be formally launched early next year. The organization will be clearly unrepresentative of the true sentiments of the majority of Mexican-Americans and other Latinos. It will instead be a Jewish front organization established to advanced Zionist interests. This organization will be using known lackeys of the Hispanic community who have a long history of "selling out" our community in return for personal financial gain. We instead propose the formation of a "Latino-Islamic Public Affairs Council" comprised of Islamic and Latino organizations."

""A growing number of us are fed up with the rigged political system and the corrupt candidates the Jewish dominated Democratic Party choose for us. La Raza will eventually take over the government of the City of Los Angeles. It is just a matter of time. We need a candidate that is going to tell it like it is and not pussyfoot around town romancing all the other ethnic and racial groups. With 315,000+ registered voters in the city, we don't need the Jews nor the Whites to win. We need a real leader, a fearless leader with courage and conviction that can unite all of La Raza of Los Angeles."

"The U.S. State Department is in complete control by the American Jewry. This takeover began with Henry Kissinger and is now in the hands of Jewess Madeleine Albright."

"Jose Angel Gutierrez , founder of 'The United Race' La Raza political party, said: "We have an aging white America. . . . They are dying. . . . They are ******** in their pants with fear! I love it!" "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."

[WRhine]

You keep saying that but you don't have any figures. I tried searching myself but I can't find a good comparison site that shows social spending under Clinton and Dubya. Do you have one?

You apparently didn't look very hard. Do I really have to provide links to common knowledge? Apparently so. I found the two below sources in about 5 minutes. The first breaks out defense, non-defense, discretionary and non-discretionary spending. The second link shows the aggregate budget numbers.

Did you know Bush in his first term expanded government as much as Clinton did in 8 years? And that the rate of growth in non-defense spending is even higher.

GPO Access U.S. Budget

Historical Budget Data

The people demanded a prescription drug benefit. Whether it was Dubya or a rat administration it was going to happen. The plan passed through the Republican congress. I do not fault Dubya for doing what the voters want.

Bush campaigned in 2000 on a market oriented prescription drug plan that involved very little government assistance and won the election. 2 years later, he scraps it and out of the blue endorses Ted Kennedy's Big Government drug plan with a few minor changes and ramrodded through Congress over MUCH republican opposition because of the price tag. Funny thing is, even the democrats were not clamoring for a prescription drug plan at the time. Bush just couldn't resist erecting this federal monstrosity on top of a budget already bleeding in red ink.

Because they are paying into it.

B/S. Most Illegal Aliens do not pay into Social Security because they don't have social security cards or work for cash. Bush's totalization agreement with Mexico will most definitely include Illegals that never paid into social security. And the kicker is, they qualify for benefits in as little as 1.5 years.... We American Citizens should be so lucky.

[WRhine]

You win, or...nobody wishes to converse with you. I report, you decide : )

It's apparent to all that Once-Ler is allergic to uncomfortable facts that undermine his preconceived warm and fuzzy notions about La Raza.

Even the name of this subversive organization (the race) doesn't seem to register with Once-Ler. Imagine the outrage if some white politicos got together and formed an activist organization with a similar title.

[international american]

"Imagine the outrage if some white politicos got together and formed an activist organization with a similar title."

Then once not learned would castigate and villify, of course: )

Have a good night, WR.

[Once-Ler]

Your first quote is not from La Raza. Your second quote is not from La Raza. Your third quote is not from La Raza. Your quotes are from The Nation of Aztlan which is not affiliated with the National Council of La Raza - the organization Dubya and Gonzales spoke at.

Your forth quote is from Jose Angel Gutierrez. He is an American citizen and professor at the University of Texas. He is founder of a political party called La Raza Unida (the race united) that started in 1970 and is no longer active. Dubya and Gonzales spoke at National Council of La Raza, an organization that started in 1968. 2 separate organizations. I'll assume this is just ignorance on your part and not a deliberate lie.

JustAnAmerican slipped in this same lie back in post 212 when he wrote "La Raza Unida(The direct predecessor to La Raza)" It's not true. It's like saying the Constitution Party is the same as an organization called the White Constitution Party. Well maybe that's a bad example. It's like saying the Iraqi Republican Guard is the direct predecessor to the American Republican Party

The National Council of La Raza is not the boogie man you make them out to be. But thank you forcing me to look this stuff up to educate us both. It will make it easier to correct the errors from your side in the future.

[LegendHasIt]

Thanks for the link.

THAT particular organization seems to be OK, at least they are not advocating the violence and hatred etc. that other groups that claim to be speaking for "La Raza", like Aztlan and Mecha.

Maybe they could publicly disavow the more radical groups, because there are a lot of confused gringos out here. We see and hear bad things with the name "La Raza" attached to them, and most of us aren't going to bother to try to figure out which is which.

Just a year ago I had to sandblast off a big spray painted "La Raza" off a building that my mother owns. And a lot of the public restrooms that I have visited in the Southwest USA have a lot of grafitti bad grafitti done by some faction of "La Raza".

Bad choice of a name IMO, if they really want to integrate into American society.

[Once-Ler]

You apparently didn't look very hard. Do I really have to provide links to common knowledge? Apparently so. I found the two below sources in about 5 minutes.

Thank you for the links. I am gratified it took so little time for you to find them. If you go to table 6 at the link you provided Historical Budget Data you will see that program spending has stayed consistently about 11% of GDP since 1975. You will also notice that total outlays(spending) is still significantly lower than the Reagan years as a percent of GDP. Discretionary and Program spending has increased slightly as a percent of GDP in the years following 9-11 and the recession. It will go down again.

We doubled our GDP from 1990 to 2004 as a result we doubled our federal spending.

ramrodded through Congress over MUCH republican opposition because of the price tag. Funny thing is, even the democrats were not clamoring for a prescription drug plan at the time.

Dubya can't sign anything unless the Congress passes it. It passed 76 to 21 in the Senate. If the rats were not clamoring then it is also true they were not opposing. Do the math.

Most Illegal Aliens do not pay into Social Security because they don't have social security cards or work for cash.

You don't need a real social security card to have an employer take out social security taxes. McDonalds takes out social security taxes even if the employee has fraudulent papers.

Bush's totalization agreement with Mexico will most definitely include Illegals that never paid into social security. And the kicker is, they qualify for benefits in as little as 1.5 years.

According to United States Social Security Administration the totalization agreement only applies to 50,000 legal workers.

[Once-Ler]

Bad choice of a name IMO, if they really want to integrate into American society.

It's actually a perfect name.

In any case, the most optimistic conclusion that one may derive from the observed facts is that even the most contradictory mix among the races can be resolved most beneficially as long as the spiritual factor contributes to enhance them. In fact, the decadence of the Asian peoples is attributable to their isolation, but also mainly and without a doubt to the fact that they have not been Christianized. A religion like Christianity advanced the American Indians, in a few centuries, from cannibalism to a relative civilization." --La Raza Cósmica

Here is a short essay which explains the term "La Raza."
What does "Raza" mean and where does it come from?

[Once-Ler]

Even the name of this subversive organization (the race) doesn't seem to register with Once-Ler.

What does "Raza" mean and where does it come from?
La Raza is a cultural term that translates poorly into English.

The National Council of La Raza is a advocacy group for Hispanic Americans to overcome bigotry and improve opportunities for its community. They are no more racist than advocacy groups for alchoholics or the blind.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Both Tancredo and Buchanan are very popular with the white supremacists.

Nice link. I thought linking to garbage sites was prohibitted on FR. Everyone knows Buchanan consorts with Jews and Negros. His VP was a black woman, his campaign staff had more blacks and jews on it than either Bush's or Gore's in 2000. I hate to point out the obvious, but white supremicists are complete and total dumbasses.

Of course many supporters of George Bush are dumbasses as well. I'd list their screen names, but I'd rather just point out I judged Bush by his actions and not the major dumbasses who parade around as his supporters on FR. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten my vote. I'm not asking for Bush to address his dumbass problem though.

[peyton randolph]

I thought linking to garbage sites was prohibitted on FR.

If it violates FR rules, the moderators are more than welcome to remove the link. FWIW, I linked to a few posts yielded by a Google search to show that in fact these whackos are supporting Tancredo and Buchanan. I did not link to any of their articles. It was merely to show the support is there because every time the contention is made, some at FR go into a state of denial without seeing proof. Even when shown, it still results in flames for pointing out the existence of such support. As I stated in an earlier post, Tancredo has the right message but he is the wrong messenger to win in a national race. He is a Goldwater, not a Reagan.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

La Raza is a cultural term that translates poorly into English.

Yeah like jihad. It's a despicible racist organization just like the KKK and Nazis. It's PC BS. It's okay to be a foul disgusting racist pig as long as you ain't white.

[Caipirabob]

Bingo. Got my vote. As if I'd vote for Frist...

[7.62 x 51mm]

I'd vote for him on the illegal alien issue alone, over any of the laughable RINOs running.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

FACT: White supremicists voted overwhelmingly for Bush over Kerry.

FACT: Black supremicists voted overwhelmingly for Kerry over Bush.

FACT: No third party presidential candidate received as many votes from racial supremicists as either Bush or Kerry.

What's obvious is that it's a pathetic and well-worn ad hominem form of discussion on FR to play the god damn race card rather than address the stated positions of the candidate. It's intellectual laziness and stupidity.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

If it violates FR rules, the moderators are more than welcome to remove the link..

I don't know. I do know some poor lady almost got toaded and banned for innocently linking pictures of stone circles (ala stonehenge and what not) because they just happened to have been stored on stormfront. They apparently have some retarded Christian Identity research paper crap over there. Some spiel about lost white tribes and other nonsense...blah blah

I don't expect consistency because it involves trashing Buchanan and Tancredo. But I'm willing to be suprised.

[Once-Ler]

It's a despicible racist organization just like the KKK and Nazis. It's PC BS. It's okay to be a foul disgusting racist pig as long as you ain't white.

The National Council of La Raza is no more racist than the AARP. The AARP calls for special treatment for their members due to discrimination. That makes them socialist but not racist. The difference is civil rights groups seek to improve the life of their communities and racists organizations like the nation of aztlan, KKK, and the PLO seek to increase hatred of and call for the destruction of "inferior races."

[Once-Ler]

FACT: White supremicists voted overwhelmingly for Bush over Kerry.

FACT: White supremicists voted overwhelmingly for Peroutka and Buchanan.

[Final Authority]

There is every reason to believe because if we don't believe and act we will lose our nation and the Constitution. You of course don't see it that way.

At the present rate of criminals invading this nation from the southern border can you tell me your vision of the future, say in ten years? Really, I'd like to know.