Posted on 04/30/2005 5:21:01 AM PDT by Founding Father
May have been legal but doesn't make it right. What about things like Nuremberg Laws? Those were legal. I think the time for reparations were right after emancipation and the war, entirely too late now to do now.
Why is it disgusting? I don't believe in reparations but I hardly think the comparison is disgusting.
Abe Lincoln's mother and sister are buried on a piece of our old family farm. We are pretty sure what his motives were.
BTW, you gotta' be kidding if you want me to believe this fine gentleman did anything dishonest in his life. That's just Southern propaganda.
I'm sure many slaves were glad for the bit of unconstitutional action.
That's a very good point. To the degree Lincoln's actions were unconstitutional, they were still necessary. Notice that the Union "patched up" the Constitution after the war with 3 amendments.
B of A bought Providence, not the other way around.
B of A is not a yankee bank.
And if people don't think that slavery impacts some people today, my mother was telling me about some of my great aunts, children of slaves in the West Indies. People pass down stories and experiences. It's too bad that a lot of black Americans' ancestors needed Abe Lincoln's "unconstitutional" action to give them what they should have had in the US in the first place.
Is BofA a San Fran bank or a Souvrn' Kolifornya bank?
The institution of slavery was accompanied by all the other sorts of dehumanizing attitudes we anticipate finding anywhere totalitarianism gains a foothold.
Why would they be looking? Who gives a rats butt what the black leaders think or do - tell 'em to eat cake!!
At this point of the debate, I would normally recommend some books on the topic of discussion, but your posts and family history indicate that, perhaps, your mind is closed on this subject. I will say this, my family also had casualties in the Civil War, from Michigan and for the Union. That doesn't change the fact that Lincoln was just another cheap politician.
Agreed. I am doing some reading about the Civil War and it's amazing all the things that went on both sides. History is amazing anyway but reading about the CW/WBTS makes one appreciate America of 2005.
And over 142 years ago!
Please post the books for my benefit and anyone else reading. Thanks :-)
Well. Bank of America needs to manufacture some records. The women and children need the money. After all they are entitled.
Just comparing death to forced labor. (I was not including the slaves who died enroute, or at the hands of hard taskmasters.) I can see how you could compare the two. Of course many imprisoned Jews were forced into labor and later killed. But to any individual being given the choice of death of a lifetime of forced labor, (even with the best of circumstances) both choices would seem inhuman.
This entire arguement was in response to another poster who wanted to use the fact that the decendents of Jews did in fact get reparations from Germany to argue that slave decendents should also get reparations.
In the case of Germany, the rational for the killing of the Jews was largely to deprive them of their property and share these proceeds with the dominant government. In the case of slavery, the humans themselves were captured and sold and the persons who "owed" the reparations would be the slavers and to a lesser extent the slave owners (slavery being supported by the government means the society sharred the debt of slavery). As I said before, to follow up with reparations for slavery one would need a clear link between one who was wronged and one who did the wrongdoing. Even if the government of the United States agreed to be the wrong-doer, the slave decendents would need to show that they were deserving of some monetary reward and that the eventual reward of freedom and a life in this country was not compensation enough.
Okay I understand. The reason why the many Jewish survivors got reparations is because the world has/had a different consciousness than 100-300 years ago. He's seems bitter that black slaves didn't get the same benefits but I guess what can one do? You can't go back and undo history.
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