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Question about Nazi Rape victims and Abortion (Vanity)
Sockdologer | April 30, 2005 | Sockdologer

Posted on 04/30/2005 12:07:01 PM PDT by Sockdologer

A few weeks ago, I either read an article or heard on a talk show something about jewish women, who, after having been raped by nazis, refused abortions and carried their children to term. Does anyone know anything about this or can anyone give me a source for this information?

Sorry for the vanity.

-Sock


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abortion; nazi; rape

1 posted on 04/30/2005 12:07:08 PM PDT by Sockdologer
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To: Sockdologer
I am not sure they were Jews. This was done in I believe Norway as a way to produce Aryan children.
2 posted on 04/30/2005 12:27:46 PM PDT by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: Sockdologer
Nazis didn't make a practice of raping Jewish women. Physical relations between an 'Aryan' and a Jew were criminal offenses. While isolated incidents likely occurred, any 'reports' would at best be anecdotal.

Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor

Section 2
Sexual relations outside marriage between Jews and citizens of German or related blood are forbidden.

3 posted on 04/30/2005 12:28:08 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Sockdologer
The decision of the Judenrat of the Shavel ghetto to force abortions is cited in Witness to the Holocaust. It is a situation in which only women will be directly affected, yet women do not speak here; only men do. Not only do men make the decisions about nineteen abortions, they also decide that the nurse of one of the physicians will murder the fetus of a woman in her eighth month. The physician will induce premature birth but refuses to kill the newborn baby. The nurse, on the other hand, will not have a choice because she will not be told what she is doing. If the potential mothers refused the abortions, they would have sanctions placed against their families:

... deprive them of food cards, transfer their working members to worse jobs, deprive them of medical assistance, of firewood. If that doesn't work, then the woman must be called in and given an ultimatum -either an abortion or the committee will have to inform the security police. It was proposed that all physicians and midwives be forbidden to assist during childbirth.

In this text, kinds of intimidation as strong as those used by the SS are employed by the Judenrat to force these abortions, yet the sense of this is somehow missing in the narration. link

4 posted on 04/30/2005 12:34:09 PM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Teflonic

Sounds remarkably like today's China and her one-child policy.


5 posted on 04/30/2005 12:38:57 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Sockdologer

I never heard of this, but I remember reading in the eighties about one Jewish woman doctor in a concentration camp who performed abortions on women prisoners because they would be put to death when it was discovered they were pregnant, or become the subjects of experiments first.

After the war, when she was an obstetrician delivering babies she would say to God, "God, you owe me a living child here." The story broke my heart. The only abortionist I ever cried for.

Mrs VS


6 posted on 04/30/2005 12:39:38 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: sharktrager

I've read a story recently (I don't remember where) about a German "program" to produce "good Aryan" stock by interbreeding with Norwegian women during WWII occupation, and the unhappy fate of the resultant children, whose paternity often was common knowledge and who tended to become shunned and disrespected by Norwegian society.
A Google search might produce relevant info.


7 posted on 04/30/2005 12:57:03 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: VeritatisSplendor

I think her story was made into a movie.

American actress starred in it, as I recall.


8 posted on 04/30/2005 1:08:52 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: Teflonic

The fact that the story mentions what happened if women
didn't have abortions may mean some of them did. But
I can't find anything on it other than your source.


9 posted on 04/30/2005 1:20:35 PM PDT by Sockdologer
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To: Sockdologer

Don't know much of historic significance, but it seems to me this could be a form of revenge. The children of Jewish mothers are Jewish themselves (by Jewish law and/or tradition). Therefore, raising the bastard children of their tormentors as Jews might have a certain satisfaction. It also might make them reluctant to abort a child that will be a Jew.


10 posted on 04/30/2005 1:35:20 PM PDT by No Longer Free State (Standing in the way of progress is not a party platform)
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To: No Longer Free State

That's a very interesting idea. How often do you think women in general raise children out of vengeance?


11 posted on 04/30/2005 1:44:49 PM PDT by Sockdologer
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To: VeritatisSplendor; George Smiley
The movie was Out of the Ashes, about Dr. Gisella Perl.
12 posted on 04/30/2005 1:45:08 PM PDT by Melpomene
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To: PAR35

"Nazis didn't make a practice of raping Jewish women. Physical relations between an 'Aryan' and a Jew were criminal offenses. While isolated incidents likely occurred, any 'reports' would at best be anecdotal."

It might not have been official practice, but it certainly did happen in the ghettos as well as the camps. We can't keep prison guards from having relations with female prisoners today when it is a punishable offense. Sixty years ago in those circumstances there was no one to answer to for it.


13 posted on 04/30/2005 1:50:01 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Melpomene
Here's another link with more info on the movie
14 posted on 04/30/2005 1:51:57 PM PDT by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Melpomene

Thank you.

Rented it within the last year.


15 posted on 04/30/2005 8:53:31 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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