The Mother of All Connections (New evidence of collaboration between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda)

The Weekly Standard ^ | July 18, 2005 | Stephen F. Hayes & Thomas Joscelyn

[polymuser]

That's an awful lot to expect our pubic-schooled young political intellectuals to read, isn't it? It's eighteen whole pages! And it's summertime.

[chuckles]

The point I was making was America is always hesitant to follow it's military leaders advice for some reason. We fear them as power hungry or war mongers or some other such phobia. Nobody liked the commies back then, but as you say, they felt obligated to revere them because they were an ally FOR A FEW MONTHS! I think most people felt Yalta was a sellout for their minimal help in the war. Anyway, millions suffered for decades because of a lack of fore sight.

By leaving Saddam in power in '91, we felt he was better than the unknown, and I don't know any military leader( notice my low opinion of Powell), that would leave the vanquished leader in power. Just asking for trouble if you ask me. Maybe we would have gotten the jubilation in the streets we thought we would get now, back then. The Arabs look at the west as weak because they don't have the fortitude to do what is necessary to have complete victory.

I just don't believe we should fire the first shot or loose one man without the willingness to "go all the way", including nukes, in any battle. If you don't have that attitude, then why go to battle. Would you be willing to die or loose a loved one, without the determination to see the battle to the victorious end? How much blood of hero's have been wasted on double clutching and indecision? If we decide (as is being reported now in the Drudge Report) to pull out and leave Iraq to hooks and crooks, then the 1700 dead and thousands wounded will have sacrificed in vain. If however, we end up with a lone democracy and a friend in the middle east, their blood is spilt for a glorious cause. An Earth changing cause. A history making cause. This is the beginning of World War III. It means the end of civilization to loose. It is that important. Let these bastids have nukes, and you don't even want to know the hellish nightmare that we will hand our children. Our resolve now is the test we must pass for the future of Earth. They are resolved. They are committed. Ask a WWII vet what he thought of the commitment of the Germans and the Japs in WWII. We had to beat them or die trying.

The Quran is their blueprint for world domination just as Hitler had his book. They believe their god has destined them to rule the Earth. It is that important. Right now, we try to make the distinction between "moderate" and fanatical Muslims. Show some weakness on our part, and you will be surprised how few "moderates" there will be. A billion and a half is a big number.

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[alwaysconservative]

Good for Hayes for not letting go of this issue, and thanks for posting it!

[Diana in Wisconsin]

Nice try, but I'm only going to believe what the left touts as "evidence" in the Downing Street Memo. /HUGE SARCASM

Excellent, excellent find. Thank you! :)

[rockthecasbah]

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[USF]

Thanks for all the pings Fred. ;o)

[strategofr]

" Saddam was shooting at our pilots every day."

Yes. In addition to all else, our planes and pilots were wearing out from the endless mission Clinton set up---protecting the Kurds by air. Another option in Iraq would have been to simply partition the country and never withdrawn our troops---but I agree going into Baghdad would have been better.

"Why didn't we just finish the North Koreans..."

While I agree with much of what you say, this is in error. We obliterated the North Korean army and occupied their whole country---briefly.

Then the Chinese launched a surprise attack against US forces, who had inadequate intelligence, and we found ourselves back near the original starting line, and switched to "containment".

We undoubtably could have obliterated the Chinese army in Korea without too much trouble and retaken N. Korea. Probably should have, but I understand why we did not.


" Why is Castro still breathing? Who is going to get upset if we invade Cuba?"

I agree. The answer is we botched the Bay of Pigs, and this established the "principle" that you should never try to overthrow a communist government. At the time, conservatives did not realize how many communist agents of influence and even communist government agents participated in creating this "national consensus" idea. Now, of course, with communism supposedly "dead" for 15 years, we pay the price in Venezuela.

"Excuse me, I'm beginning to rant."

No excuse needed. Rants are fine, as far as I'm concerned.

"We need to stay the course in Iraq, or we will pay dearly later.( not that we aren't paying dearly now)"

Well, I'd like to get through the "first lap" of the course before 2008---get US soldiers and Marines off the streets of Baghdad, Fallujah, etc. and replaced by Iraqis. This will help ensure the re-election of a Republican President. I'd rather see US troops in bases near the border---patrrolling to seal it off.

[strategofr]

"Haven't been able to get a copy of Stephen Hayes " The Connection" but it probaly has a good bit of the stuff in it, at least the early stuff."

Yes, it looks great. I'm a little buried in books now---and a little burned out reading political stuff.

[justshutupandtakeit]

If you believe the USSR provided "minimal" help in the war effort I suggest you read a competent history of the war. Hitler threw almost his entire army at it and was soundly defeated. Soviet losses were an order of magnitude greater than those of the US, UK, France and all other allies COMBINED. It fought the Nazis for over FIVE years, longer than the US and had the whole eastern part of the country devasted.

Saddam was left in power because there was a UN resolution in place calling for Iraq's removal from Kuwait nothing more. And there was great concern that there remain a counterbalance to Iran in the region.

You need to develop a descriminating understanding about war. Few are Nuke-worthy. There will not be any pullout from Iraq and we will have troops there for a decade or more.

Muslims are fighting and dying (more than are our men now) in Iraq and we are making allies among them. They are on the front line. Islam will not be allowed to remain an anachronism but will either join the twentieth century or be destroyed.

[Just A Nobody]

How do you feel about a Federal grand jury indictment from November 4, 1998, as a source?

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[driftless]

The New York Times amd the Washington Post are frantically rushing this story into print....ha,ha. It is amazing the mental contortions libs will make to deny the connection between Hussein, Al-Qaeda, and international terror. Even when the Clinton admin said the same things that the Bush admin is now saying, the libs continue to deny reality.

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[jpl]

The majority of the American people have always instinctively understood from the moment that 9/11 happened on that Saddam was one of our country's main enemies, and that all of the pap we've been fed since is just the entrenced bureaucracy and their media allies covering all their collective behinds for the system's most miserable failure since Pearl Harbor.

[Tolik]

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