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BATF Bans Future Importation of Gun Barrels
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Posted on 08/11/2005 3:38:33 PM PDT by Nachoman

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To: FraudFactor.com

The bill you seek to pass is H.R. 1703


21 posted on 08/11/2005 5:35:47 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Nachoman

They tell me the Republicans are in Washington City but I do not believe . . .


22 posted on 08/11/2005 5:38:41 PM PDT by The Shootist
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To: supercat

The only legitimate solution is to do away with the distinction, H.R. 1703 does that!


23 posted on 08/11/2005 5:38:47 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Nachoman
the BATF, by fiat, has reinterrpreted the Gun Control Act of 1968 to make importation of gun barrels illegal as of September 10, 2005.

They have ALWAYS been illegal unless they were being imported as a replacement barrel only. Far too many people have been ignoring this and building NEW weapons of out so called "parts kits". They were open and obvious about it -- not discrete at all. If people had more discretion the BATFE would have continued to look the other way.

24 posted on 08/11/2005 5:39:03 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Nachoman
You're not looking at the big picture. We need to increase the senate majority to sixty five members and then with a filibuster proof majority, we can get judges that will give us what we want. If we still can't get what we want we'll work for seventy republicans. (SARCASM)

Why aren't our elected representatives watching these bureaucrats? Why doesn't one of our elected representatives stand up and say "Hold it right there Batfag. You can't do this".

I guess I better not hold my breath.

25 posted on 08/11/2005 5:39:11 PM PDT by metalurgist (Death to the democrats! They're almost the same as communists, they just move a little slower.)
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To: yarddog

There is zero chance that GWB doesn't know about this and Gonzales is "acting alone." But you knew that already.


26 posted on 08/11/2005 5:39:16 PM PDT by lainie
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To: supercat
There's usually no obvious way I know to distinguish between a barrel from a 1989 Bush Ban semi-auto and a remnant 'Post-Ban' barrel that can now sport 'evil' features if it wasn't manufactured that way. Meaning, a barrel that at one time had a silver-soldered muzzle brake covering threads that has been reworked to put it back to a 'Pre-ban' appearance should only make a difference if the host weapon doesn't meet the '10-parts' rule for rifles imported after 1990. These kits are cheap.

Since there's no way for the BATFE to know if the incoming parts are for rifle imported before or after 1989, this current ruling probably bans them all -- though logically it shouldn't. I admit that logic doesn't mean a thing to the bureau that made this ruling.

I'd say your best and cheapest bet is to get a 'Pre-ban' barrel for dirt cheap and modify it to fit your pre-1990 rifle that allows 'evil' parts. Those with a 'Post-ban' should adopt ten parts and ignore the situation altogether.

Hell, best idea of all is take your expert legal defense team with you to and from the range.

27 posted on 08/11/2005 5:45:20 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: yarddog
"The Bushes are Northeast Bluebloods regardless of the fact they lived in Texas. They look down on NRA types."

Yup....Kennebunkport Yankees. Bush has a lot more in common with John Kerry than he does with any true Texan.

28 posted on 08/11/2005 5:46:01 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: supercat

To answer your question, you could use a foreign barrel if it was imported prior to Sept. 10, otherwise, it has to be a US manufactured barrel (if you can find one).


29 posted on 08/11/2005 5:49:02 PM PDT by Nachoman
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To: FreedomCalls
Uh huh, we can export all possible U.S. production jobs overseas without any murmur of protest! But just let some U.S. entrepreneur's find a way to make a buck off of european sourced parts, with final assembly (Jobs!) done HERE, and the AG/ATFE quickly smack them down! Oh Yea, bring on more of that wonderful "free trade, one world economy", it's the busiest one way street on the planet!
30 posted on 08/11/2005 5:49:36 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Nachoman
To answer your question, you could use a foreign barrel if it was imported prior to Sept. 10, otherwise, it has to be a US manufactured barrel (if you can find one).

Given the lack of marking or tracking, by what means is anyone supposed to know the difference?

31 posted on 08/11/2005 5:52:11 PM PDT by supercat (Sorry--this tag line is out of order.)
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To: FreedomCalls
They have ALWAYS been illegal unless they were being imported as a replacement barrel only.

As currently ruled by the ATF, it is illegal for the IMPORTER to make them into new firearms. As this post proves, the ATF can always change its mind.
32 posted on 08/11/2005 5:52:23 PM PDT by Nachoman
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To: supercat

Key point. Thats why you don't throw away your receipts, and request a copy of the ATF approval letter from your vendor.

A lot of work just to get a lousy barrel, isn't it?


33 posted on 08/11/2005 5:54:30 PM PDT by Nachoman
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To: FreedomCalls
"... They have ALWAYS been illegal unless they were being imported as a replacement barrel only."

Last I heard, the BATFE allows imported replacement *receivers* as well, unless they changed their minds. The ADI AUG-SA receivers are one case in point. They didn't have to be rebuilt into a 'Sporter' if the original serial was retained and the the original receiver was destroyed according to BATFE regulations. You may still send your firearm out of the country for repair work. Many Steyr SA-AUG-A1s were converted to AUG-A2s with new receivers re-marked with the original receiver's serial number. The ADI AUG-SA receivers were permitted for import because the BATFE saw no reason why this procedure had to be executed outside of the United States just to be legal.

I've seen George Washington's axe on display at a gun show -- the same one he used to chop down the cherry tree as a boy.

The only thing that the collector replaced was the handle, and the head. It still takes up the same volume in space as the unmodified original.

34 posted on 08/11/2005 5:55:31 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: supercat
"... Given the lack of marking or tracking, by what means is anyone supposed to know the difference?"

Right. Shhh.

35 posted on 08/11/2005 5:56:20 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: DoughtyOne
The BATF has all kinds of strange powers. A local TV station did a documentary on local wines (I didn't even know they made wines in Pennsylvania). Anyway, one wine maker explained why his wine had such a weird name. Originally the wine had the word "hand grenade" in it and the BATF DENIED him that name. So evidently you can't even NAME your wine the way you want to.
36 posted on 08/11/2005 10:19:40 PM PDT by RATkiller (I'm not communist, socialist, Democrat nor Republican so don't call me names)
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To: RATkiller

Yep, can't have those government 'electronic' sniffers overloaded can we.

I used to post a lengthy post with nothing but words that might pop up if someone was doing that. Now that 09/11 has taken place, It's a little less acceptable to do that.


37 posted on 08/12/2005 11:05:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Nachoman


UPDATE!

New ATFE "Open Letter" extends import deadline.

H.R. 1703 still needs to be passed in order to keep this new AG inspired ban from taking effect!




U.S. Department of Justice

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives

Assistant Director


August 12, 2005
REVISED OPEN LETTER TO FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARMS IMPORTERS
AND REGISTERED IMPORTERS OF U.S. MUNITIONS IMPORT LIST ARTICLES
The purpose of this open letter is to provide important updated information to importers
concerning the lawful importation of certain frames, receivers and barrels.
Extension of Time to Effect Importation of Approved Permits for Frames, Receivers or
Barrels of Firearms Under Title 18 U.S.C. § 925(d)(3)
As noted in our prior Open Letter dated July 13, 2005, section 925(d) provides “in any case
where the Attorney General has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to this
paragraph, it shall be unlawful to import any frame, receiver, or barrel of such firearm which
would be prohibited if assembled.” ATF concluded that this language permits no exceptions that
would allow frames, receivers or barrels for otherwise nonimportable firearms to be imported
into the United States. Accordingly, ATF announced that it would no longer approve ATF Form
6 applications for importation of any frames, receivers, or barrels for firearms that would be
prohibited from importation if assembled. No exceptions to the statutory language, for example
for “repair or replacement” of existing firearms, will be allowed.

In the July 13, 2005, Open Letter, ATF recognized that importers relying upon ATF’s prior
policy may suffer economic harm, particularly those who hold approved permits. To mitigate
the impact of the new policy, ATF provided that it would forego enforcement of section
925(d)(3) for 60 calendar days from the date of the Open Letter for those importers who had
obtained import permits for barrels and receivers for nonimportable firearms for "repair or
replacement."

Following consultations with the industry and further examination of the number and types of
barrels and receivers authorized for importation on approved permits, ATF has decided to extend
the period of time for importers to act upon previously approved import permits. ATF believes
this extended period affords ample time for importers who have entered into binding contracts in
reliance upon approved permits to bring their shipments into the United States for entry into
commerce. Importers holding ATF approved permits to import frames, receivers, or
barrels for otherwise nonimportable firearms for repair or replacement may continue to
use such permits through December 31, 2005. Effective January 1, 2006, these permits will
be suspended.



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Importers holding unexpired approved permits will be receiving a letter notifying them that their
permits will be suspended effective January 1, 2006. ATF will advise Customs and Border
Protection that in no event should these permits be accepted to release these items for entry into
the United States on or after January 1, 2006.

Importers are reminded that no new permits for these items will be issued, including the issuance
of permits that would be necessary to remove frames, receivers or barrels that are currently held
or may be placed in a Customs Bonded Warehouse or Foreign Trade Zone. Importers are also
advised that ATF previously approved permits for nonimportable barrels and receivers are for
repair or replacement only, and this restriction was stamped on the face of the permit. Importers
who import such components for any purpose other than repair or replacement of existing
firearms, e.g., for assembly into new firearms, will be exceeding the scope of the import
authorization in violation of law. If ATF determines, through inspection or otherwise, that an
importer willfully violates the import provisions of the GCA, the importer's license is subject to
revocation pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 923(e).

Maintaining open lines of communication is vital to the successful future of ATF’s partnership
with the import community. The Firearms and Explosives Imports Branch staff is available to
answer your questions about the issues addressed in this letter. You may reach us by phone at
(202) 927-8320 or by fax at (202) 927-2697. Additional information regarding this issue will be
provided on our Website at www.atf.gov.

Sincerely yours,


Lewis P. Raden
Assistant Director
Enforcement Programs and Services


38 posted on 08/12/2005 10:55:39 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: Richard-SIA

Thanks for the update!


39 posted on 08/13/2005 5:01:10 PM PDT by Nachoman
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To: Nachoman

You're welcome.
Now, if we could just get a few thousand RKBA supporters to actively work on passing H.R. 1703........


40 posted on 08/13/2005 7:23:27 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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