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To: Ostlandr

"When the Germans invaded Russia, the Ukrainians welcomed them as liberators"

Not really - the UPA fought the Germans and Communists continuously and Hungary with the explicit support of Hitler fired the first shots of WWII - well before Poland - when the newly declared state of Carpatho Ukraine was crushed.

Certalinly some did jump into Hitlers fire from the Stalin frying pan but thats like saying the WTC jumpers welcomed the cool air outside the 100th floor to the fire inside.

Let's not forget that the Kremlin killed 15 million Ukrainians from 1921 to 1938 and then they went on to lose more in WWII than all military casulaties of the US, UK, Germany, Japan, France and Russia COMBINED.

http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-29.html


10 posted on 08/28/2005 1:42:20 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

Don't forget the many Ukranians who were FORCIBLY repatriated to the soviet union by the British after
the war, most to die in the gulags, many who committed
suicide rather than return.


14 posted on 08/28/2005 2:24:06 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: spanalot; lizol; sergey1973

Let's not forget that the Kremlin killed 15 million Ukrainians from 1921 to 1938 ==

'Kremlin' stands for "fortress". Almost each historical russian town has thier own Kremlin. Novgorod' Kremlin, Kazan' Kremlin, Yaroslavl' Kremlin, Pskov' Kremlin.
And Moscow' Kremlin. It was the staff quaters of Partriarkh was occupied by communists in 1919.
So Kremlin as the place cann't kill anyone. It was commies who did.

Who was those commies. For your surprise in first ever commie goverment of Lenin there was 6 ukranian ministers: Podvoiskii, Lunacharskii, Tsurupa, Antonov-Evseenko. Dibenko, Krilenko.
There founded Ukranian Soviet Republic and ukranian Red army.

So quite much of ukranians participated in building USSR. Why they did it? You try to answer yourself.

By the way I have to admit that quite much of ukaranians fought in rows of White Army too. Together with russians.

Learn real history of Civil war 1917-22 and history of USSR not your limited ukro-nazi version.

Try to answer one simple question.
Why the name of new commie state was 'Soviet Union'. Why not "Russian republic" for example?
If there was red Poland and red China but there was NOT red Russia but Soviet Union? Why that?
Simple question. But hard to answer by those who duped by russo-phobia.


28 posted on 08/29/2005 12:21:06 PM PDT by RusIvan
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