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Ancient Anthropoid Origins Discovered In Africa
Duke University ^ | 13 October 2005 | News office staff

Posted on 10/14/2005 3:27:55 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

New species firmly establish African roots for anthropoid line.

The fossil teeth and jawbones of two new species of tiny monkey-like creatures that lived 37 million years ago have been sifted from ancient sediments in the Egyptian desert, researchers have reported. Related

They said their findings firmly establish that the common ancestor of living anthropoids -- including monkeys, apes and humans -- arose in Africa and that the group had already begun branching into many species by that time. Also, they said, one of the creatures appears to have been nocturnal, the first example of a nocturnal early anthropoid.

The researchers published their discovery of the two new species -- named Biretia fayumensis and Biretia megalopsis -- in an article in the October 14, 2005, issue of the journal Science. First author on the paper was Erik Seiffert of the University of Oxford and Oxford University Museum of Natural History. Other co-authors were [lotta names here, see original article].


The subtle topography of tiny teeth and jawbones enabled identification of two new anthropoid ancestors that lived 37 million years ago.

The researchers discovered the fossils over the course of the last few years at a site called Birket Qarun Locality 2 (BQ-2) about 60 miles southwest of Cairo in the Fayum desert. BQ-2 has only been systematically excavated for about four years, said Seiffert, in contrast to a much younger Fayum site, called L-41, which has been explored for the last 22 years by Simons and his colleagues.

“BQ-2 and surrounding localities have tremendous potential, which is exciting because they are so much older than other Fayum sites,” said Seiffert. “There will certainly be much more information about early anthropoid evolution coming out of BQ-2 over the next few years.” The sediments at BQ-2 lie nearly 750 feet below those of L-41 and were dated at around 37 million years old by measuring telltale variations in magnetic fields in the sediments due to ancient fluctuations in the earth’s magnetic fields. According to Simons, other anthropoids exist at BQ-2 and will soon be described, [that's how the paragraph ends, folks!]

The latest fossils of the new species consist of tiny teeth and jaws, whose shapes yield critical clues about the species whose mouths they once occupied. For example, a tooth root from the species Biretia megalopsis is truncated, indicating that it had to make room for the larger eyesocket of a nocturnal animal.

“These finds seem to indicate that Biretia megalopsis must have had very large eyes, and so was likely nocturnal,” said Seiffert. “This has never been documented in an early anthropoid. The simplest explanation is that Biretia's nocturnality represents an evolutionary reversal from a diurnal ancestor, but that conclusion is based solely on the probable pattern of relationships. If down the road we find out that our phylogeny was wrong, Biretia could end up being very significant for our understanding of the origin of anthropoid activity patterns.”

According to Simons, analyses of the teeth of the two species clearly place them as members of a group called parapithecoids, known as “stem” anthropoids because they constitute the species of early creatures from which the subsequent "crown" anthropoid line arose.

“The finding of these parapithecoids from such an ancient time confirms that crown anthropoids -- a group including all modern anthropoids -- have their earliest known beginnings in Africa,” said Simons. “They show that findings by other researchers of isolated examples of possible higher primate fossils in Asia do not constitute evidence of an ancestral crown anthropoid lineage there.”

According to Seiffert, the latest findings help fill in the gap between later anthropoids and the oldest undisputed anthropoid, called Algeripithecus, found in Algeria, which lived around 45 million years ago. That species had been characterized by only a few teeth, which precluded significant insight into the species, said Seiffert.

Seiffert also noted that previously, the only evidence for anthropoids at 37 million years ago in Africa was a single tooth, attributed to a species called Biretia piveteaui. What’s more, the latest discoveries of the two species suggest that a 57-million-year-old African primate called Altiatlasius from Morocco might even be the earliest anthropoid ancestor.

For more information, contact: Dennis Meredith, Office of News & Communications | (919) 681-8054 | dennis.meredith@duke.edu


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
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Oh no, another gap has closed!
1 posted on 10/14/2005 3:27:57 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 10/14/2005 3:29:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry ( I won't respond to a troll, crackpot, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: PatrickHenry
They said their findings firmly establish that the common ancestor of living anthropoids -- including monkeys, apes and humans -- arose in Africa.

Well, as they say, the absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence. This was found in Africa. That it has not been found elsewhere does not mean it was also not some place else. Would they say that find proves that Africa's the source of living antrhopoids had this creature's remains been found in, for example, Pittsburgh?

3 posted on 10/14/2005 3:51:28 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: PatrickHenry

I think I’m sophisticated
’cos I’m living my life like a good homosapien
But all around me everybody’s multiplying
Till they’re walking round like flies man
So I’m no better than the animals sitting in their cages
In the zoo man
’cos compared to the flowers and the birds and the trees
I am an ape man
I think I’m so educated and I’m so civilized
’cos I’m a strict vegetarian
But with the over-population and inflation and starvation
And the crazy politicians
I don’t feel safe in this world no more
I don’t want to die in a nuclear war
I want to sail away to a distant shore and make like an ape man
I’m an ape man, I’m an ape ape man
I’m an ape man I’m a king kong man I’m ape ape man
I’m an ape man
’cos compared to the sun that sits in the sky
Compared to the clouds as they roll by
Compared to the bugs and the spiders and flies
I am an ape man
In man’s evolution he has created the cities and
The motor traffic rumble, but give me half a chance
And I’d be taking off my clothes and living in the jungle
’cos the only time that I feel at ease
Is swinging up and down in a coconut tree
Oh what a life of luxury to be like an ape man
I’m an ape, I’m an ape ape man, I’m an ape man
I’m a king kong man, I’m a voo-doo man
I’m an ape man
I look out my window, but I can’t see the sky
’cos the air pollution is fogging up my eyes
I want to get out of this city alive
And make like an ape man
Come and love me, be my ape man girl
And we will be so happy in my ape man world
I’m an ape man, I’m an ape ape man, I’m an ape man
I’m a king kong man, I’m a voo-doo man
I’m an ape man
I’ll be your tarzan, you’ll be my jane
I’ll keep you warm and you’ll keep me sane
And we’ll sit in the trees and eat bananas all day
Just like an ape man
I’m an ape man, I’m an ape ape man, I’m an ape man
I’m a king kong man, I’m a voo-doo man
I’m an ape man.
I don’t feel safe in this world no more
I don’t want to die in a nuclear war
I want to sail away to a distant shore
And make like an ape man.


4 posted on 10/14/2005 3:57:40 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. Heinlein)
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To: PatrickHenry
For example, a tooth root from the species Biretia megalopsis is truncated, indicating that it had to make room for the larger eyesocket of a nocturnal animal.

The tooth root seems short.
It must be truncated by the eye socket.
The eye socket must have been quite large.
A large eye socket indicates a nocturnal animal.

All quite possible. Still, from a few teeth and jaw fragments, they build up so much. Evolution is just conjecture on conjecture on conjecture. I don't have enough faith to believe in a 37 million year long chain of guesses.

5 posted on 10/14/2005 3:58:07 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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"Still, from a few teeth and jaw fragments, they build up so much. Evolution is just conjecture on conjecture on conjecture. I don't have enough faith to believe in a 37 million year long chain of guesses."

That was what I thought. A few teeth and jaw fragments and they know all this from 37 million years ago? A leap of faith.


6 posted on 10/14/2005 4:00:54 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: ClearCase_guy
Evolution is just conjecture on conjecture on conjecture. I don't have enough faith to believe in a 37 million year long chain of guesses.

Thankfully, there's a lot more data supportive of evoultion than this study.

7 posted on 10/14/2005 4:13:11 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: PatrickHenry
Oh no, another gap has closed!

It appears that when one gap closes; another one opens. . .

8 posted on 10/14/2005 4:20:17 AM PDT by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: mlc9852
That was what I thought. A few teeth and jaw fragments and they know all this from 37 million years ago? A leap of faith.

Only to the ignorant. Teeth and jaw fragments can tell a knowledgeable person a lot about the owner of that tooth or jaw fragment. Dentition can be signature features in identifying evolutionary relationships because certain dental features and certain combinations of features arise and are preserved in some lineages and not in others.

Further, by examining the surrounding structures, the combinations of teeth, their placement, etc., knowledgeable people can learn a lot about the behaviors and diet of these creatures, because certain features are consistent across lineages, depending on these dietary or behavioral factors.

9 posted on 10/14/2005 4:23:50 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: mlc9852
"A few teeth and jaw fragments and they know all this from 37 million years ago? A leap of faith.

Indeed. . .a 'Leap of Faith'.

10 posted on 10/14/2005 4:28:14 AM PDT by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Evolution is just conjecture on conjecture on conjecture. I don't have enough faith to believe in a 37 million year long chain of guesses But you have faith in words written down by a bunch of Bronze age, sandal wearing, goat herders. nice call.
11 posted on 10/14/2005 4:29:51 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. Heinlein)
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To: WildHorseCrash

You guys really excel at attempting to make those who disagree with you look stupid. I'm ignorant - oh, well. By the way, that isn't going to win you any converts.


12 posted on 10/14/2005 4:51:42 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Vaquero
You certainly don't have to believe the Bible, but trying to make those who do look like backwater yokels doesn't help make your case. I'm convinced evolutionists are generally just mean-spirited people.
13 posted on 10/14/2005 4:53:30 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
You don't need me to make some people look like backwoods yokels. It is often self evident.

One can believe in the Spiritual aspects of the bible without believing all the parables and homilies as rote.

I don't believe all evolutionists are mean spirited. I have seen it in ID and Creationist posts though.
14 posted on 10/14/2005 5:14:19 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero
I would name quite a few evos on here who are just mean. There are a couple I refuse to respond to because of their attitude. If people can't have a civil discourse, then I question how strong the believe their position to be.
15 posted on 10/14/2005 5:16:21 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
Well, will this win a convert today?

There is more evidence than fossils to show that speciation has occurred, which I think is the main debated point in the political / religious community. In general, there are four ways to determine the time since a species split: Fossils, Active DNA, Viral DNA fragments, and Mitochondrial DNA.

Viral DNA, to me, is the most interesting and compelling. I just found a good article on it here.

The gist of this finding and the argument here for speciation is this: Our bodies have really great systems in place for stopping viruses from reaching our reproductive cells, which stops the majority of retroviruses (a virus that inserts its own DNA into your strand) from getting through. Every so often, though, a retrovirus makes its way into the gene-pool, and inserts an easily recognizable fragment of DNA into the strand. It is recognizable because not only does it fail to perform a function, but it sits right in the middle of a gene that used to do something. Its an addition, not a mutation, so it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Well, it turns out that humans and chimps share a few (I forget the exact number, I think its about 10-11). By share, I mean that these fragments are clearly the same fragment and IN THE SAME PLACE in the gene they reside in. The infection would have had to occur at the same time, in other words, in the same ancestor. Now, mutations in humans and primates occur at the same rate, and the differences in these mutations between the human and chimp varieties indicate a time that matches up with the fossil evidence discovered by archaeologists, as well as Active DNA and Mitochondrial DNA.

If God did indeed design each species individually, and speciation is false, He would have had to plant this evidence so precisely with the express intention of fooling scientists into believing that evolution and speciation exist.

You can believe in a Deceiver God if you want. I refuse to.
16 posted on 10/14/2005 5:22:58 AM PDT by EasyBOven
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To: PatrickHenry
Oh no, another gap has closed!

but two more have appeared.

17 posted on 10/14/2005 5:25:54 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Paging Nehemiah Scudder:the Crazy Years are peaking. America is ready for you.)
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To: EasyBOven

No one has asked you to believe in God. As a human being you make your own spiritual decisions. As a human being, I make mine.


18 posted on 10/14/2005 5:38:14 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Vaquero

How is that any different than putting your faith in a bunch of fossils and what scientists are telling you. Believing in evolution requires trusting people you've never met telling you about evidence you've never seen. After Piltdown Man and Archeoraptor, we are to trust the discovery of new fossils? Creationists are often accused of distorting science to support creation but here are deliberate attempts to decieve people about evolution through manipulating the fossil record by those esteemed scientists. Hardly a situation where evolutionists can afford to point fingers.


19 posted on 10/14/2005 5:55:34 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: EasyBOven

I was taught in high school and college that although viruses can replicate that there is really some debate as to whether they are really alive. They don't really fall into the living organism category, do they?


20 posted on 10/14/2005 5:58:42 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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