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"In re Subpeonas, re J. Miller"
D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ^ | February 05 | D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals

Posted on 10/22/2005 7:16:36 PM PDT by churchillbuff

At the end of his long opinion on the jailing of Miller, which I have linked, Judge Tatel said that the reporters' privilege yields, in this case, to “THE GRAVITY OF THE REPORTED CRIME.”(My caps)

I don't like Laurence O'Donnell, but he's stating a fact when he reports the following:

"Judge Tatel’s opinion has eight blank pages in the middle of it where he discusses the secret information the prosecutor has supplied only to the judges to convince them that the testimony he is demanding is worth sending reporters to jail to get. The gravity of the suspected crime is presumably very well developed in those redacted pages. Later, Tatel refers to “[h]aving carefully scrutinized [the prosecutor’s] voluminous classified filings.” "

O'Donnell continues: "Some of us have theorized that the prosecutor may have given up the leak case in favor of a perjury case, but Tatel still refers to it simply as a case “which involves the alleged exposure of a covert agent.” Tatel wrote a 41-page opinion in which he seemed eager to make new law -- a federal reporters’ shield law -- but in the end, he couldn’t bring himself to do it in this particular case. In his final paragraph, he says he “might have” let Cooper and Miller off the hook “[w]ere the leak at issue in this case less harmful to national security.” "

""Tatel’s colleagues are at least as impressed with the prosecutor’s secret filings as he is. One simply said “Special Counsel’s showing decides the case.” ""

""All the judges who have seen the prosecutor’s secret evidence firmly believe he is pursuing a very serious crime, and they have done everything they can to help him get an indictment. ""


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KEYWORDS: chamberlainbuff; cialeak; cnim; cooper; creepyliar; fitzgerald; judithmiller; mattcooper; miller; neville; nigerflap; plamegate; plamenamegame; tatel; wardchurchillbuff
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1 posted on 10/22/2005 7:16:37 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Given that we have 2 distinct nations here in America just whose "national" security has been breached?


2 posted on 10/22/2005 7:25:00 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: churchillbuff

I think Larry O'D is having a flashback to "Scarborough and Company".


3 posted on 10/22/2005 7:25:09 PM PDT by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: churchillbuff
""All the judges who have seen the prosecutor’s secret evidence firmly believe he is pursuing a very serious crime, and they have done everything they can to help him get an indictment. ""

So does that leave out perjury?
4 posted on 10/22/2005 7:25:55 PM PDT by blogblogginaway (<a HREF="http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051019/OPINION04/51">This guy claim</a>)
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To: churchillbuff
I wonder if information given the Bush Administration by Porter Goss might have been turned over to Fitzgerald. Might Fitzgerald have developed felonious activity at Langley. Might it have nothing to do with malfeasance of Rove/Libby. When I consider the trivial nature of what has been alledged of Rove/Libby compared to what seems to be a real possibility of CIA felony questions it seems that allegations against Rove/Libby are minor.

It is said Rove is bright. I believe he is. Why would one so smart fail to remember that what got Clinton impeached was not felatio and infidelity to his wife and family, but lying to a grand jury. His memory would remind him. His lawyer would remind him. George Bush demanded it of him. Why, then, would Rove commit obstruction and perjury? It does not make sense.

One more question....will someone please answer for me......WHY WAS WILSON SENT TO NIGER TO REPRESENT THE USA REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT IRAQ WAS BUYING YELLOWCAKE? WHY? WHY? WHY?

5 posted on 10/22/2005 7:31:20 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Perdogg
Lawrence O'Donnell


6 posted on 10/22/2005 7:32:24 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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That's funny, but what do you say about the judges' comments - - their statement that this is a serious case, with serious evidence?


7 posted on 10/22/2005 7:34:42 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: blogblogginaway

i don't know but maybe it was on feb.5th. secret evidence ? in this leak fest there are no secrets.


8 posted on 10/22/2005 7:35:57 PM PDT by fantom
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In his final paragraph, he says he “might have” let Cooper and Miller off the hook “[w]ere the leak at issue in this case less harmful to national security.” "

So the outing of Plame was harmful to "national security"?
I find it hard to reconcile with the numerous times liberal/socialists have revealed covert names and actually
caused the deaths agents with out suffering consequences.


9 posted on 10/22/2005 7:36:25 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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I find it hard to reconcile with the numerous times liberal/socialists have revealed covert names and actually caused the deaths agents with out suffering consequences."""

What leaker, who caused deaths, went unprosecuted?

10 posted on 10/22/2005 7:37:34 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Tatel wrote a 41-page opinion in which he seemed eager to make new law

[sarcasm] Just what we need. [/sarcasm]
Another judge "making law."

11 posted on 10/22/2005 7:38:31 PM PDT by syriacus (Bush hasn't done a bad job, all things (WOT, vagaries of Nature, Lib lies + obstruction) considered)
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To: tet68
So the outing of Plame was harmful to "national security"? """

Apparently a bipartisan panel of federal judges, having revealed secret evidence that neither you nor I nor Rush nor O'Donnell has seen, think it may have.

12 posted on 10/22/2005 7:38:49 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The only problem with this is EVERYBODY (even the NY Times) now concedes that no crime was broken by the leaking of Plame's name.

Any indictments, we are told, will be based on the "cover-up" of this non-crime.

But nice try. LOL


13 posted on 10/22/2005 7:39:44 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: churchillbuff
That's funny, but what do you say about the judges' comments - - their statement that this is a serious case, with serious evidence

Uh, that referral was made two years ago. In the interregnum, it appears that neither Rove nor Libby actually revealed Plame's name or status (in fact, many have suggested she was not covert).

If there was no underlying crime, then perjury over no underlying crime seems to be a silly thing to persue.

Martha Stewart redux.

14 posted on 10/22/2005 7:40:09 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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To: Sam Hill
Any indictments, we are told, will be based on the "cover-up" of this non-crime. """

Not according to the federal judges who ruled on the reporters' jailing. And unlike you, me or the NY Times, they've seen Fitzgerald's evidence.

15 posted on 10/22/2005 7:40:50 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff; frankjr

You have to remember the filing was dated in February. However, if we are to believe the press reports, Fitz decided to limit the scope of Miller's Testimony. Testimony which could have been regarding the "Holy Land Foundation".

The thing that I am not clear about is why Fitzgerald met with Bennett prior to Miller testimony.


16 posted on 10/22/2005 7:41:04 PM PDT by Perdogg ("Facts are stupid things." - President Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: churchillbuff

Do the judges get to decide whether to prosecute? Or does Fitzgerald make the decision whether or not to prosecute?


17 posted on 10/22/2005 7:41:55 PM PDT by syriacus (Bush hasn't done a bad job, all things (WOT, vagaries of Nature, Lib lies + obstruction) considered)
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To: sinkspur
Uh, that referral was made two years ago.""

No, the ruling - and the judges' statement that the secret evidence alleged a "grave" crime -- was last February. And why would the passage of time from February to now change the nature of the evidence that they saw?

18 posted on 10/22/2005 7:42:07 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

All I can say is that it's certainly another straw in the wind. But the number of players who might be accused of violating secrecy is pretty large at this point.

It would be delightful if Porter Goss, about whom we haven't heard very much recently, weighed in and decided to throw all those leftist CIA leakers to the wolves, but if it happens it will represent a kind of hardball that the Republicans have never played before.


19 posted on 10/22/2005 7:42:09 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: churchillbuff

If there is any indictment, i'm willing to bet it wont be for any outing of Valerie Plame.


20 posted on 10/22/2005 7:43:34 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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