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Christianity and Islam in History
Vatican ^ | December 20, 2005 | Christianity and Islam in History

Posted on 01/05/2006 8:57:33 AM PST by Kenny Bunk

I will address the topic of Christianity and Islam by limiting myself to a brief presentation of historical facts, without entering into the specifics of religious and theological dialogue. This seems useful to me, because the celebration of the fifth centenary of the birth of Pius V was a bit muted, especially in academic circles. The victor at Lepanto in 1571, this pope who had the courage and the energy to construct an alliance of almost all the Christian kingdoms against the Ottoman empire – which was advancing to threaten Europe and had already established dominion over the Balkans – today, precisely on account of the unhappy restoration of hostility between the two worlds – one formerly Christian, and to a certain extent still Christian, and the Muslim world – seems to many to be an obstructing presence best left in the shadows.

The so-called “secularism” that would silence all the monotheistic religions through accusations of fundamentalism, or that exalts dialogue by negating their differences, intends to blot out the age-old conflict that has pitted the two religious communities against one another. Above all, it intends to neutralize the Roman pontiff, who has shown himself capable of blocking the Islamic advance and saving Christian civilization.

Although the two monotheistic religions in question share, among other things and to different degrees, the Jewish tradition – a specialist like Samir Khalil Samir emphasizes how before Mohammed the Arab Jews and Christians called their God by the name of Allah – there are many differences between Christianity and Islam, and the differences are fundamental.

Since their very beginnings, there have been differences in how
Christians and Muslims think of conversion and the use of violence.

For the Christians, conversion was something that must be voluntary and individual, obtained primarily through preaching and example, and this is how Christianity did in fact spread during its first centuries. Obviously, we must immediately note that this conception of early Christianity underwent changes in later eras, connected with the diffusion of a spirit of religious intolerance in Western culture. John Paul II himself acknowledged that in this regard the Church’s children “must return with a spirit of repentance [for] the acquiescence given, especially in certain centuries, to intolerance and even the use of violence in the service of truth.” (Tertio Millennio Adveniente, 35).

But on the part of the Muslims, from the earliest times, even while Mohammed was still alive, conversion was imposed through the use of force. The expansion and extension of Islam’s sphere of influence came through war with the tribes that did not accept conversion peacefully, and this went hand in hand with submission to Islamic political authority. Islamism, unlike Christianity, expressed a comprehensive religious, cultural, social, and political strategy. While Christianity spread during its first three centuries in spite of persecution and martyrdom, and in many ways in opposition to Roman domination, introducing a clear separation between the spiritual and political spheres, Islam was imposed through the power of political domination.

It therefore comes as no surprise that the use of force occupies a central place in Islamic tradition, as witnessed by the frequent use of the word “jihad” in many texts. Although some scholars, especially Western ones, maintain that jihad does not necessarily mean war, but instead a spiritual struggle and interior effort, Samir Khalil Samir again clarifies that the use of this term in Islamic tradition – including its usage today – is essentially uniform, indicating warfare in the name of God to defend Islam, which is an obligation for all adult Muslim males. Those who maintain that understanding jihad as a holy war constitutes a sort of deviation from the true Islamic tradition are therefore not telling the truth, and history sadly demonstrates that that violence has characterized Islam since its origin, and that Mohammed himself systematically organized and led the raids against the tribes that did not want to convert and accept his dominion, thus subjecting the Arab tribes one by one. Naturally, it must also be said that at the time of Mohammed warfare was part of the Bedouin culture, and no one saw anything objectionable about it.

The interpretation that Muslims today try to make of the crusades – an interpretation that finds many followers among Western historians – also fails to correspond to historical reality.

According to this representation, Western Christians were invaders in a peaceful region that was respectful of the different religions – the Holy Land, which back then was part of Syria – using religious motives to disguise imperialist ambitions and economic interests.

But the idea of the crusades emerged, above all, as a reaction to the measures that the Fatimid caliph Hakim bi-Amr Allah took against the Christians of Egypt and Syria. In 1008, al-Hakim outlawed the celebrations of Palm Sunday, and the following year he ordered that Christians be punished and all their property confiscated. In that same year of 1009, he sacked and demolished the church dedicated to Mary in Cairo, and did not prevent the desecration of the Christian sepulchers surrounding it, or the sacking of the city’s other churches. That same year saw what was certainly the most severe episode: the destruction of the Constantinian basilica of the Resurrection in Jerusalem, known as the Holy Sepulcher. The historical records of the time say that he had ordered “to obliterate any symbol of Christian faith, and provide for the removal of every reliquary and object of veneration.” The basilica was then razed, and Ibn Abi Zahir did all he could to demolish the sepulcher of Christ and any trace of it.

Today in many intellectual circles there is a lot of talk about the religious tolerance shown over many centuries by the Islamic authorities, because – while in terms of the pagan populations the saying “embrace Islam and your life will be spared” held true, and the pagans who did not convert were killed – the “people of the book,” the Jews and Christians, were able to continue practicing their religion.

In reality, the situation was much less idyllic: the Christians and Jews could survive only if they accepted Muslim political dominion and a situation of humiliation, which was aggravated by the obligation to pay increasingly burdensome taxes. So it’s no wonder that most of the Christians, even though they were not constrained by force, converted to Islam on account of the constant economic and social pressure. This led to the total disappearance of a form of Christianity that had flourished for more than half a millennium, as in the part of Africa ruled by the Roman empire, the land of Tertullian, saint Cyprian, Tyconius, and above all saint Augustine.

But the biggest difference between Christianity and Islam concerns the crucial issue of understanding the human person.

This is shown by the fact that many Islamic countries have not accepted the declaration of human rights promulgated by the United Nations in 1948, or have done so with the reservation of excluding the norms that conflict with Qur’anic law – which means practically all of them. From an historical point of view, therefore, it must be recognized that the declaration of the rights of man is a cultural fruit of the Christian world, even though these are “universal” norms, in that they are valid for all. In Islamic tradition, in fact, the concept of the equality of all human beings does not exist, nor does, in consequence, the concept of the dignity of every human life. Sharia is founded upon a threefold inequality: between man and woman, between Muslim and non-Muslim, and between freeman and slave. In essence, the male human being is considered a full titleholder of rights and duties only through his belonging to the Islamic community: those who convert to another religion or become atheists are considered traitors, subject to the death penalty, or at least to the loss of all their rights.

The most irrevocable of these inequalities is that between man and woman, because the others can be overcome – the slave can be freed, the non-Muslim can convert to Islam – while woman’s inferiority is irremediable, in that it was established by God himself. In Islamic tradition, the husband enjoys an almost absolute authority over his wife: while polygamy is permitted for men, a woman may not have more than one husband, may not marry a man of another faith, can be repudiated by her husband, has no rights to the children in case of divorce, is penalized in the division of the inheritance, and from a legal standpoint her testimony is worth half as much as a man’s.

So if Islam implied, and still implies, not merely religious membership, but an entire way of life, sanctioned even at the political level – a way of life that naturally involves and prescribes how to act with other peoples, how to behave in questions of war and peace, how to conduct relations with foreigners – it is very easy to understand how the victory of Lepanto guaranteed for the West the possibility of developing its culture of respect for the human person, for whom equal dignity regardless of his condition came to be guaranteed.

If this characterization of Islam is destined to remain unchanged in the future, as it has been until now, the only possible outcome is a difficult coexistence with those who do not belong to the Muslim community: in an Islamic country, in fact, the non-Muslim must submit to the Islamic system, if he does not wish to live in a situation of substantial intolerance.

Likewise, on account of this all-embracing conception of religion and political authority, the Muslim will have great difficulty in adapting to the civil laws in non-Islamic countries, seeing them as something foreign to his upbringing and to the dictates of his religion. Perhaps one should ask oneself if the well-attested difficulties persons coming from the Islamic world have with integrating into the social and cultural life of the West are not explained in part by this problematic situation.

We must also recognize the natural right of every society to defend its own cultural, religious, and political identity. It seems to me that this is precisely what Pius V did.


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1 posted on 01/05/2006 8:57:36 AM PST by Kenny Bunk
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1552311/posts

Some excellent points in this post, and also on the Vatican site, http;//www.chiesa.it


2 posted on 01/05/2006 9:04:33 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: Kenny Bunk
The most irrevocable of these inequalities is that between man and woman, because the others can be overcome – the slave can be freed, the non-Muslim can convert to Islam – while woman’s inferiority is irremediable, in that it was established by God himself. In Islamic tradition, the husband enjoys an almost absolute authority over his wife: while polygamy is permitted for men, a woman may not have more than one husband, may not marry a man of another faith, can be repudiated by her husband, has no rights to the children in case of divorce, is penalized in the division of the inheritance, and from a legal standpoint her testimony is worth half as much as a man’s.

So true. With this overwhelming evidence of Islam's depravity towards women, you would think that feminists would be screaming for Islam's repudiation. But, they are not. Why?

Quite simply, feminists see Christianity as their greatest threat. There may be a myriad of reasons for this, but one of the strongest arguments is that Christians are the most vociferous critics of abortion - the sacrament of feminism.

3 posted on 01/05/2006 9:10:19 AM PST by SkyPilot
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Bravo pingo for Walter Brandmuller


4 posted on 01/05/2006 9:11:08 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Great article speaking the truth. This is saying it exactly like it is and an excellent repudiation of the multicultural belief that all cultures are equal. Islam is hell on earth for women and democracy and Islam are essentially incompatible. Muslims only accept rules from the Koran and to them a man made govt is blasphemous and must be destroyed. There is no such thing as human rights in Islamic society and the ongoing honor killings are just one piece of proof of that. More Americans need to be educated about the truth about Islam so we wake up and defend ourselves against this primal force of evil names Islam.


5 posted on 01/05/2006 9:12:37 AM PST by Maneesh
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To: Kenny Bunk

6 posted on 01/05/2006 9:16:20 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Kenny Bunk
But the idea of the crusades emerged, above all, as a reaction to the measures that the Fatimid caliph Hakim bi-Amr Allah took against the Christians of Egypt and Syria.

- In 1008, al-Hakim outlawed the celebrations of Palm Sunday, and

- the following year he ordered that Christians be punished and all their property confiscated.

- In that same year of 1009, he sacked and demolished the church dedicated to Mary in Cairo, and

- did not prevent the desecration of the Christian sepulchers surrounding it, or the sacking of the city’s other churches.

- That same year saw what was certainly the most severe episode: the destruction of the Constantinian basilica of the Resurrection in Jerusalem, known as the Holy Sepulcher.

- The historical records of the time say that he had ordered “to obliterate any symbol of Christian faith, and provide for the removal of every reliquary and object of veneration.”

- The basilica was then razed, and Ibn Abi Zahir did all he could to demolish the sepulcher of Christ and any trace of it.

WHAT? Why I just saw "Kingdom of Heaven" and this says that it was the religious zealots of both sides that were the problem and that the agnostic leaders were lovy dovy supporters of all faiths (BARF). You mean this ISN'T the truth?????

How could Hollywood have left out the above listed 'facts' in this so called documentary???

7 posted on 01/05/2006 9:27:04 AM PST by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: Kenny Bunk

Radical Islam is an insane murder cult, moderate Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.


8 posted on 01/05/2006 9:33:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Kenny Bunk

"For the Christians, conversion was something that must be voluntary and individual, obtained primarily through preaching and example, and this is how Christianity did in fact spread during its first centuries"


try telling that to all the Jews during the Spanish Inquisition....convert or die....or also try telling that to all the native peoples in North and South America who were forced/coerced to convert. The forced conversion by Islamics against Christians were and are horrible. But please don't ignore all of history.

Luckily the main difference is that in modern times, Christians would never force a conversion today. That's something we can't say about extremist Islam even against other Muslims.


9 posted on 01/05/2006 9:49:52 AM PST by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: SkyPilot
I think Feminists go after Christianity for the same reason everyone else does: it's a soft target.
With 80% of the US population holding some sort of Christian beliefs it is also a nice demographic if you are trying to get a message out.
10 posted on 01/05/2006 9:52:21 AM PST by BluStaCon ("consider the source")
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To: BluStaCon

I want to see feminists go after Islam in full force.


11 posted on 01/05/2006 9:57:02 AM PST by Gertie
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To: Kenny Bunk

BTTT


12 posted on 01/05/2006 10:06:35 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts

That's an interesting point. You have two major religions that are actively trying to convert as many as possible. They both believe they are the one true faith and as far as I can see neither will stop until there is no one left to convert. I would think a clash is inevitable.


13 posted on 01/05/2006 10:14:43 AM PST by BluStaCon ("consider the source")
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts
try telling that to all the Jews during the Spanish Inquisition....convert or die....or also try telling that to all the native peoples in North and South America who were forced/coerced to convert.

The Spanish Inquisition occurred just after the Spanish evicted the Muslims after 800 years of Muslim domination.

14 posted on 01/05/2006 11:44:10 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Happy New Year!)
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Also, the Spanish Inquisition was a shining example of religion being used to further political motives. The Rulers of Spain were consolidating their newly regained country. This is why it remained the Spanish Inquisition. The Inquisition as whole was condemned by The Pope and found very little support anywhere else.
15 posted on 01/05/2006 12:14:00 PM PST by BluStaCon ("consider the source")
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To: Paleo Conservative
The Spanish Inquisition occurred just after the Spanish evicted the Muslims after 800 years of Muslim domination.

After 800 years, you're bound to absorb some of the bad habits of your oppressors.

Too bad it never seems to work the other way. The bad apple always spoils the barrel; never does the barrel of good apples cure the bad.

HOWEVER, Christians worked through the aberration, though it took over two centuries for the major conflicts to subside.

Islam considers it normal, not an aberration, to use violence & intimidation.

16 posted on 01/05/2006 12:53:10 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: FrPR

Ping-o


17 posted on 01/06/2006 12:41:46 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Democrat vote fraud must be stopped. Hello? RNC?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

bttt


19 posted on 01/06/2006 3:56:51 PM PST by Vision (“We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the duty of intelligent men")
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