Bill Clinton, Historian? The former president pronounces history's verdict on Vietnam.

The Weekly Standard ^ | 01/19/2006 | Joel Engel

[Rik0Shay]

agreed

[NordP]

"Bill Clinton, Historian?..."

Since he made UP history before, during, and after his presidency; he probably feels confident about "talkin' history" now ;-)

(/sarcasm)

[p23185]

The 'most trusted man on television' used that trust against our guys Vietnam when he declared the communist win and no hoe for a U.S. victory in Vietnam...

Thank God we don't have any "most trusted man on television" today or we'd be loosing in the WOT, just like the Loony Left Liberals (LLL) want us to. We don't trust anything on TV, because we see over and over what liars they are.

[DakotaRed]

It all started when Gene McCarthy was willing to stand alone and turn the tide of history

I wouldn't call surrendering to Communism and allowing a few million Vietnamese to be swallowed up by Communists and languish in 'reeducation' camps as something worth "crediting." Nor would I find anything worthy in denigrating 2.5 million American Veterans along with over 58,000 who gave their lives as something to brag about.

Hisotry will show this was the beginning to the American policy of "cut & run" going against what even their late great Democrat President Kennedy said, "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

While I wasn't all that big of a fan of the Kennedy's, JFK must have had some keen insight into future Presidents when he said, "A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living. Today's military rejects include tomorrow's hard-core unemployed."

JFK must be rolling in his grave. Little did he know what his Party was to become when he said, "The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission."

[DakotaRed]

It all started when Gene McCarthy was willing to stand alone and turn the tide of history

I wouldn't call surrendering to Communism and allowing a few million Vietnamese to be swallowed up by Communists and languish in 'reeducation' camps as something worth "crediting." Nor would I find anything worthy in denigrating 2.5 million American Veterans along with over 58,000 who gave their lives as something to brag about.

Hisotry will show this was the beginning to the American policy of "cut & run" going against what even their late great Democrat President Kennedy said, "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

While I wasn't all that big of a fan of the Kennedy's, JFK must have had some keen insight into future Presidents when he said, "A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living. Today's military rejects include tomorrow's hard-core unemployed."

JFK must be rolling in his grave. Little did he know what his Party was to become when he said, "The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission."

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

26 Sep 1945 - The first death of an American serviceman in Vietnam occurred.
OSS (Office of Special Operations) Major (Lieutenant Colonel) A. Peter Dewey
was killed in action by the Communist Vietminh near Hanoi.
May 1950 President Harry S Truman authorised $10 million in aid to the French for their war in Viet Nam.
By January 1951, $150 million had been given in aid.
1953-61 Dwight D. Eisenhower 34th US President
1953-61 Richard M. Nixon Vice President
1953 - The US is supporting the French in the amount of $1 billion per year--
33% of all US foreign aid--which is 80% of the total cost to the
. US Secretary of State, John Foster Dulles (under Eisenhower) first voices the 'Domino Theory':
if one country in Southeast Asia falls to the Communists, they will all fall, one by one.

12 Feb 55 - President Eisenhower's administration sends 1st 350 U.S. advisers to South Vietnam
to train the South Vietnamese Army

8 Jun 56 - The first American of record to die in Vietnam
under the Eisenhower and Nixon administration
was Air Force Tech Sergeant Richard B. Fitzgibbon Jr.
His son, Richard B. Fitzgibbon III, died in Vietnam Sep 7, 1965.
8 Jun 56 Has been formally recognized by the Pentagon as the first American officially to die in that war.

5 Sep 56 - President Eisenhower tells a news conference that the French are
"involved in a hopelessly losing war in Indochina" 1956 The US believed in that Ho Chi Minh would have won any election held in Viet Nam and used their influence over the government of the State of Viet Nam to ensure that the election was not held



From a Must Visit Site
Vipers Vietnam Veterans Page, A Vietnam Veteran & Proud Web Site
About Vietnam

The Vietnam war was the longest in our nation's history.
1st American advisor was killed on June 08, 1956,
and the last casualties in connection with the war occurred on May 15, 1975, during the Mayaquez incident. Approximately 2.7 million Americans served in the war zone; 300,000 were wounded and approximately 75,000 permanently disabled. Officially there are still 1,991 Americans unaccounted for from SE Asia.

Vietnam was a savage, in your face war where death could and did strike from anywhere with absolutely no warning. The brave young men and women who fought that war paid an awful price of blood, pain and suffering. As it is said: "ALL GAVE SOME ... SOME GAVE ALL"
The Vietnam war was not lost on the battlefield. No American force in ANY other conflict fought with more determination or sheer courage than the Vietnam Veteran.  For the first time in our history America sent it's young men and women into a war run by inept politicians who had no grasp of military strategies and no moral will to win. They were led by "top brass" who were concerned mainly with furthering their own careers, most neither understood the nature of the war nor had a clue about the impossible mission with which they'd tasked their soldiers.  And the war was reported by a self serving Media who penned stories filled with inaccuracies, deliberate omissions, biased presentations and blatant distorted interpretations because they were more interested in a story than the truth! It can be debated that we should never have fought that war. It can also be argued that the young Americans who fought so courageously, never losing a single major battle, helped in a huge way to WIN THE COLD WAR.

[small voice in the wilderness]

MG you are SO right. America's *most trusted newsman*. One of the most vile traiterous propogandists to ever sit behind a news desk and knowingly report lies to the American people while knowlingly suppressing the truth. On a nightly basis. With *concern* in his voice and prop glasses to remove when he needed to be *very* concerned. He taught the next two generations of media how to lie, concoct, persuade, dissemble, and destroy while shedding a crocodile tear of concern for this country. He is a pox on this nation. And that's being generous.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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...and in our new time of war...
...in a new century...
...with our own Freedom now...
...directly at stake...
...here at home...

...the Enemy Within WALTER CRONKITE is pushing to get back in his old CBS TV News Anchor chair to do to Iraq exactly what he did to Vietnam long ago:


Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

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[Snoopers-868th]

I know a gal that wanted her husband cremated so she could put him in her dou??? bag and run him through her one more time. LOL

[bybybill]

Thr real story about Vietnam needs to be told over and over again.History does repeat itself and Giap`s plan is testing us once more in Iraq. Somebody should tell the Rats.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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What the Vietnam War was really all about:

'The Mansions of the Lord' Hymm stirrringly sung by the West Point Mens Chorus at the end of MEL GIBSON's Vietnam War motion picture -WE WERE SOLDIERS-..

...has since been stirringly sung as President RONALD REAGAN's flag-draped casket was carried out from his National Cathedral State funeral in Washington, D.C.


For...


LOVE is the Only Reality and...

GOD is LOVE:


MEL's -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

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[ALOHA RONNIE]

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During the Vietnam War...

supporter of Communist North Vietnam's Dictator HO CHI MINH,

BILL CLINTON,

...traveled to the Communist Soviet Union for 40 days...

...to pick up his funding...

...for the Anti-U.S. demonstrations he was organizing for outside our American Embassy in London, England.

DIANE "Hillary" RODHAM...

...was busy doing much the same thing as an Anti-U.S. college demonstration organizer here in America.

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[rockabyebaby]

Hmmmmm, just an observation, where was gigilo, afterall, he is THEVN war hero of all time......

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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After the Fall of Freedom in Saigon 30 years ago that HILLARY's now No. 1 media defensive linebacker WALTER CRONKITE helped engineer...

...came...

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

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[Libloather]

Former President Clinton delivers a tribute to late Minnesota Sen. Eugene J. McCarthy from the lectern at the National Cathedral on Saturday, Jan. 14, 2006, in Washington. McCarthy, who died last month at 89, mounted an anti-war challenge to President Johnson for the 1968 Democratic nomination, leading to Johnson's withdrawal from the race. (AP Photo/Kevin Wolf)

Former President Clinton, left, attends a memorial service for the Minnesota Sen. Eugene J. McCarthy with Rep. Jim Oberstar, D-Minn., center and Mary Alice Williams at the National Cathedral on Saturday, Jan. 14, 2006, in Washington. (AP Photo/Kevin Wolf)

Former President Clinton, right, is greeted by Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., before a memorial service for the late Minnesota Sen. Eugene J. McCarthy at the National Cathedral on Saturday, Jan. 14, 2006, in Washington. (AP Photo/Kevin Wolf)

[freekitty]

We weren't losing VN until our demo leaders decided to turn tail and run. Clinton makes me want to puke. Excuse me, I have to go now.

[SandRat]

...the North's commander, General Nguyen Vo Giap. Seeing that his forces could not beat the United States militarily, Gen. Giap considered negotiating a truce until the antiwar protests reached critical mass--soon after Senator McCarthy came out publicly against the war. From then, Giap wrote, he realized that he could lose every battle and still win the war. All he had to do was endure.

This is exactly what OBL and the Leftist LOONS are trying to repeat; and that includes many elected figures in this country! We can't, we must not let them do that.

[DoNotDivide]

Spoken like a true mohammedan-communist.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

. . ."to stand alone and turn the tide of history" is the kind of language generally reserved for the likes of Churchill's warnings about Hitler. . .

or the Rosenbergs, et al. giving the Soviet Communists our nuclear weapons secrets -- then years later some flim flam man becoming president and selling the nuclear weapons secrets to Chinese Communists. . . .

Hey! It was the American press that won the coveted NV general Giap "Most Valuable Guerrilla Award!" Not Eugene McCarthy!

[WilliamofCarmichael]

How did the North Vietnamese Communists' most trusted man in America do it? I.e., how did world federalist Walter Cronkite fool us?

It was only about twenty years after W.W.II. TV had been in general use for about fifteen years. It was revolutionary and still kind of exciting. We were trusting and naive. We were all Americans, McCarthy (the "bad one") was wrong, there was no internal threat from Communists, there were only victims of witch hunts.

Here were everyday in our living rooms some of America's best known W.W.II correspondents. We trusted them. We generally trusted public figures and just laughed along with Bob Hope about the corrupt ones.

In many ways it was still Norman Rockwell's America.

Thanks to Clinton, Cronkite, and many others who have moved beyond being citizens of a sovereign and militarily strong America those days are long gone.