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seminars make people gay? Or was his son pretty much on the way to gay anyway?


3 posted on 02/09/2006 5:40:26 PM PST by When do we get liberated? ((God save us from the whining, useless, irrelevent left...))
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"seminars make people gay? Or was his son pretty much on the way to gay anyway?"

Well it is a choice. People that are weak can make bad choices with bad peer pressure.


10 posted on 02/09/2006 5:44:50 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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I hope you later thought better of such a comment and now regret it. Purposefully encouraging an extremely dangerous behavior on young people who are just learning about their own sexuality is predation on the weak. That it was state sponsored makes it even more abhorrent when it operates under the rubric of being a government by the people.


12 posted on 02/09/2006 5:46:12 PM PST by thoughtomator
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Teenagers are impressionable. When they are invited to and attend a "so-called" gifted, advanced student seminar, put on by the Governor of their State, there is some expectation that authorities on various topics will be addressing them.

The trust and the position, IMHO, was violated here...and the coousre could have caused such a teenager, who is naturally questioning his parents at that age anyway, to begin thinking and looking at things differently.

15 posted on 02/09/2006 5:47:50 PM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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"seminars make people gay? Or was his son pretty much on the way to gay anyway?"

I attended a gay seminar once and woke up the next morning in a bath house with a sore butt and a thankyou note in my hand. sarc/


17 posted on 02/09/2006 5:49:51 PM PST by beaver fever
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These seminars may not be designed to "make people gay." That said, they serve the useful purpose of sowing the seeds of doubt in children's heads.


24 posted on 02/09/2006 5:54:02 PM PST by indcons (God has sent me to punish you Muslims for your insolence - Genghiz Khan)
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No they don't MAKE you gay. However, they do prey on the sexually naive and fragile.

They intentionally confuse people about sexuality and open them up to the idea that everyone's sexuality is transient.

I actually saw one curriculum guide that said if you had EVER had any sexual thought or dream or fleeting question, no matter how trivial, about the same sex, you are probably gay or bisexual. That is garbage. Especially if they had just spent the last fifteen or twenty minutes talking about how being gay works. It wreaks of entrapment.

It was creepy and messed up. The scary part is that they were proposing that this curriculum be used with fourth graders.
40 posted on 02/09/2006 6:24:46 PM PST by pollyannaish
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People are not born gay as far as science goes. It is a process of indoctrination and most gays claim to have been molested by men as children or during puberty.

There must be more to this story. They must not have spoken about the gay lifestyle with the kid because a lot of Christians think it is sinful to even talk about it. Also it sounds like a major case of rebellion and the gays know how to plug into and use that energy in a troubled kid. They do it all the time which is why they have their teen sex clubs open to "gays and straights." They try to convert the straights into gays or bi's by asking - how do you know unless you try it. They tell them - it is safest to do it with an experienced adult your first time. (Department of Education sponsored seminar for gay straight teen club)

Also this kid could have been marked as an easy target and molested throughout the week by gay men. They like to pick the kids who are unsure of themselves and they REALLY like to nail Christian kids and actully discuss amongst themselves on NAMBLA how to hit on Christian kids.

I have grossed out both my kids with the consequences of gay sex articles and pictures. I have spoken with them about recruitment and shown them Nambla conversations and articles on how sneaky and evil these creeps are in their desire to corrupt kids. They know about the bath houses; the drug use and all the diseases from medical journals and violence from studies of gay life. They were not surprised when I showed them the article of the guy who died having anal sex with a horse. When the schools approach them as if they are talking about Ozzie and Ozzie, my kids are educated to the contrary in very concrete and scientific terms. They ask uncomfortable questions of the indoctrinators. The bottom line for my kids is: This is why God say it grosses him out - it is an abomination. Warn people.

Parents reading this: You are living in a society that is filled with very powerful adults who are committed to actively recruiting your kids into behaviors and mentalities that will kill them. You pretend that if you ignore it, it will go away. It will not go away. When gays came out of the closet, something ugly arrived and they are demanding that we pretend it is not what it actually is and that it is "love" to be celebrated. They sexually own your kids on their turf and they are hugely aggressive in their authority over you and your kids. Get real. Read the awful truth and warn your kids because they won't find out from the gay "educator."


46 posted on 02/09/2006 6:32:06 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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"seminars make people gay? Or was his son pretty much on the way to gay anyway?"

No, the truth is that homosexuals hunt troubled adolescents and confuse them and recruit them during their most vulnerable period of development. In this case, the state assists in this molestation.


48 posted on 02/09/2006 6:38:29 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (France kicked Germany's teeth out at Verdun among other places.)
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Children go through stages of devolopment. Essentially homosexuals are trying to confuse children into extending the "girsl are icky" into a permanent state of adolecense. (kind of like the Opera Castratos)

There is ZERO reason to discuss a purely recreational sex conduct as normal before children. This was a pure recruitment effort and if anything teaching homosexuality behavior probably violated some parental consent law.


53 posted on 02/09/2006 6:54:15 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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seminars make people gay?

Probably forced him to listen to Clay Aikens CD's for two days straight. In all series, this is stupid. If we took out the word "gay" and a said something like "Dad Says His Son Damaged by Junk Food Served at State Sponsored Program" would we all be laughing about our litigious society and the the failure to exercise personal responsibility. If this kid suddenly went queer, then it has nothing to do with the state sponsored program. He either chose to go queer, and if he didn't happen at this program then it would happened some place else, or more likely he became queer the moment his mommy's egg mated with his daddy's sperm, in which case dear ol' dad has no-one to blame but himself.

59 posted on 02/09/2006 7:17:32 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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There are kids out there who are on the line, they are more pliable than others but that does not minimize a seminar where they tell people to question their sexuality and attack Bible versus...


64 posted on 02/09/2006 7:29:20 PM PST by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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"seminars make people gay? Or was his son pretty much on the way to gay anyway?"

He's a kid dude. Kid's can be manipulated easily by these perverts. It's a form of brainwashing as far as I'm concerened.


76 posted on 02/09/2006 7:51:56 PM PST by dljordan
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If he was "on the way" to being gay then that may suggest a gradual socialization and indoctrination of homosexuality by means which propagate this mental state. The means may be seminars.

Hell, if you have enough such destruction to the family unit via redefining marriage, sexuality and family then eventually there would be no moral line between a sister and brother marriage or sexual relationship.

I suppose if enough people who believed in the latter existed and pushed their ideas on to others via seminars, schools, movies, books and the like, then it would only be a matter of time that ordinary people began to question the moral constraints between a sister and brother or daughter and father. It would only be a matter of time that ordinary people began to question the purpose of family and the need for it and the purpose of fidelity between and husband and wife. What is a husband and wife?

Then eventually, as history has shown, there would be a yearning for a return to a renewed sense of morality.
81 posted on 02/09/2006 8:05:35 PM PST by SQUID
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The term is "chicken-hawked". Do some reading. It'll make you ill.


90 posted on 02/09/2006 8:36:43 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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seminars make people gay? Or was his son pretty much on the way to gay anyway?

There is a reason why gay men prey on teenage boys. They are insecure, often feel rejected, and are very vulnerable. On top of that they get horny when the wind blows. Put all this together, and yes adult predators can have an effect on the how boys think about sex.

100 posted on 02/09/2006 9:12:56 PM PST by Always Right
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seminars make people gay?

Can't say for sure, but I think prisons know how to do it.

112 posted on 02/09/2006 10:10:33 PM PST by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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seminars make people gay? Or was his son pretty much on the way to gay anyway?

There's a difference between "pretty much" (i.e., some pre-disposition) and declaring oneself 'gay'. This seminar was intended to help push that declaration, and that's wrong.

The Governor's School, if it's like the one in Virginia, is a summer program (live-in, away from home and alone for probably the first time) for selected gifted students who have met a rigorous competitive criteria. The kids are young and vulnerable.

This IS a disgrace.

131 posted on 02/10/2006 5:45:40 AM PST by WL-law
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seminars make people gay? Or was his son pretty much on the way to gay anyway?

Seminars do all kinds of things--like make you want to buy life insurance, take vacations, vote for certain candidates, etc. And young people are especially impressionable and vulnerable--and the homos know exactly what age to strike.

There is absolutely no reason that a young man like this needs to go to a seminar on "the joys of sodomy."
138 posted on 02/10/2006 6:49:11 AM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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seminars make people gay? Or was his son pretty much on the way to gay anyway?

Troll.

147 posted on 02/10/2006 7:34:21 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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FU - teen and adolescents are at a vulnerable stage DW.

Homos have started the war against Christians and people with values - they have insulted marriage, family and faith. We need to start fighting back - no more Mr. Nice guy - homos are filthy evil and corrupt. If its ok to have sex with someone who is the same sex then using this logic it should be ok to have sex with your Mother, Father or sister even an adolescent. Homos should not be treated as a normal part of our society they have begun the war to destroy our nation. Rome fell America can too
161 posted on 02/10/2006 8:28:22 AM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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