Inside the Shooting at the Ranch

TIME ^ | 2/19/2006 | John Cloud

[Shortstop7]

Actually, no, I haven't seen the silhouettes. Okaaay........you want us to believe VP Cheney is lying? Riiight... For what reason? You think the VP of the USA intentionally wanted to have a hunting accident? Give me a friggin break. You are nuts. And do nothing but fuel the Dims, which by the way, it sounds like you are......

[rhema]

Meanwhile, when outside-the-beltway America weighs in [today's St. Paul Pioneer Press:

What's the big deal?

A hunting accident every year was pretty much a given when I was a kid growing up in a small town. Every duck or pheasant season, it was a teenager or a youngster who got winged with buckshot or birdshot. Normally, the person who got shot had ignored property safety rules. Imagine that.
That is exactly what happened in Texas when Vice President Dick Cheney unfortunately shot a man in his party, who was in the wrong place, in the sun and in the line of fire, and willingly admitted it. So, what's the story? Cheney owns a gun and uses it for sport hunting, and the press corps was not immediately informed about the shooting. Spare me.
ED VIEHMAN
New Hope

All I heard on the news one day last week was about the "delay" in telling our illustrious media about the hunting accident involving Vice President Cheney. So what! Does anyone out there care?
The media should never have been informed about this incident except by the injured person. This is an outright assault on his right to privacy. No one should know who he is, where he is from, how bad he was injured, where he went for treatment, how old he is or his Social Security number. The release of this information should be up to him and no one else.
I guess the right to privacy only applies when the news media are trying to cover up and hide information that they don't want out in the open. Why don't those news reporters get a life?
HAROLD OLSON
Coon Rapids

[IamConservative]

The Internet is still excreting rumors.

Interesting choice of words. Seemingly indicating he thinks the Internet is full of excrement.

[muawiyah]

So, you admit the Ranger was there. Do you imagine he examined the body?

Hey, the man's not dead and he's off to the hospital!

In any case, when you are looking at a shot pattern on a body you are not also examining the shot that didn't hit the body.

End of story.

Even that creepy Gregory guy has apologized (sort of).

[muawiyah]

Interesting that there are websites that compare and contrast the two, even the .28 caliber stuff.

They must all be mistaken eh?!

[Beagle8U]

I think you are a lil mixed up, you need to do some research before you post much more on the subject. You are making yourself look foolish.

Thats not a personal attack, honest advice.

[TC Rider]

A beer. At lunch.

The larger question is, why wasn't the Washington press corp, and specifically, David Gregory, notified that Cheney was having a beer at lunch, at the time!!

[Darkwolf377]

The question no one seems to be asking is, How many times did the VP go to the bathroom that day? Was he shooting up with heroin in there? And what magazines were present? I've heard rumors that The Nation was not among those sitting on top of the can. This needs a special counsel.

[tpaine]

muawiyah wrote:

-- there are websites that compare and contrast the two, even the .28 caliber stuff.

They must all be mistaken eh?!

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muawiyah previously wrote:

--- Now, regarding the shot pattern and how far away the victim was from the firearm, this was birdshot, and it was presumably NEW birdshot, made out of steel, not lead!
It doesn't go as far as lead. Still, it has superior penetration because it's sharper than lead birdshot. You can learn all about this on the internet BTW.
Lots of new stuff out there on the varying characteristics of the newer steel shot, and you'd best learn those differences before you kill yourself out in a field somewhere. I had no idea it was so different ~ turns out it's better than lead.

Cheney also used a .28 caliber barrel, not a .410, and the shot pattern would be a bit tighter. I gather he only likes to shoot one bird at a time!

Well, anyway, if you looked at the shot pattern shown on the 4 cut-outs on that form, it's consistent with steel birdshot patterns at about 30 yards as fired from a .28.

There are no BBs in this stuff.
-45-

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Beagle8U wrote:

I think you are a lil mixed up, you need to do some research before you post much more on the subject. You are making yourself look foolish.
Thats not a personal attack, honest advice.


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Well put, 8u:

--- Muawiyah's misinformation is typical of the 'internet instant expert'.

Cheneys shotgun was 28 gauge, not ".28 caliber".

Steel shot does not have "superior penetration because it's sharper than lead birdshot".

The shot pattern would not "be a bit tighter" on a .410 vs a 28 gauge.

And to make a conclusion "from the shot pattern shown on the 4 cut-outs on that form,"
-- that they are -- " consistent with steel birdshot patterns at about 30 yards as fired from a .28" -- is sheer speculation.

[muawiyah]

Excuse me ~ mispoke. Here's an explanation on the net: "Shotgun gauges are determined by the number of lead balls of a given diameter required to make one pound of that size ball. Thus 10 balls of 10 gauge diameter are required to make one pound of such balls, or 20 balls of 20 gauge diameter are required to make one pound, and so forth. This is the traditional, and very old, system. The actual (nominal) bore diameters of the various gauges are as follows: 10 gauge = .775 inch, 12 gauge = .729 inch, 16 gauge = .662 inch, 20 gauge = .615 inch, 28 gauge = .550 inch. The .410 is named for its nominal bore size, and is not a gauge at all."

No doubt these guys were using the very best ammunition ~