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Europe's Chill Linked To Disease (Black Death Caused Little Ice Age?)
bbc ^ | 2-27-2006

Posted on 02/27/2006 10:53:31 AM PST by blam

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To: Tokra

NOVA, I think, has a program about survivors of the plague. If a person was a descendent of two parents with a certain gene, they wouldn't die from it. Descendents of one parent with it tended to get sick, but recover. Some modern-day descendents have been proven to be immune from the AIDS virus. The program tested one homesexual man with risky behaviors who was apparently one of these descendents. It is a fascinating study if you get a chance to watch it.


41 posted on 02/27/2006 12:38:46 PM PST by twigs
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To: twigs

Thanks for the tip - I'll watch for it.


42 posted on 02/27/2006 12:41:13 PM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: fanfan
I heat my home with wood, but the only way I could get electricity without a plug, would be with a kite in a thunderstorm.

You got me there......

no oil lamp?

43 posted on 02/27/2006 12:43:53 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: piperpilot

It was an excellent program. The Ice Age really affected a lot of history that we learn. Yes, there are cyclical variations. FWIU, warming periods precede ice ages. We should be preparing for the effects of lower temperatures in the future rather than the opposite.


44 posted on 02/27/2006 12:45:38 PM PST by twigs
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

45 posted on 02/27/2006 12:48:14 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
You got me there...... no oil lamp?

LOL!

I should get an oil lamp, but I don't think it would help me run my fridge.

46 posted on 02/27/2006 12:49:22 PM PST by fanfan (I'd still rather hunt with Cheney, than drive with Kennedy.)
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To: edcoil
Them was RATZ not mice . . . and probably DEMOratz, too.

(Hey, it's as reasonable as any of the rest of this wild speculation here.)

You're thinking of the Great London Plague of 1664-1665, which is generally considered to have been halted by the London Fire of 1666 (though the number of infected and deaths had already begun a steep decline). The Black Death was in the 1340s.

47 posted on 02/27/2006 12:54:14 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

"You're thinking of the Great London Plague of 1664-1665, which is generally considered to have been halted by the London Fire of 1666 (though the number of infected and deaths had already begun a steep decline). The Black Death was in the 1340s."

It was still bubonic plague. There were scattered, periodic outbreaks throughout 1340 - 1666.


48 posted on 02/27/2006 12:59:47 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: blam
Hmmm. Extra trees cause global cooling. I just read a story a while back that all the reforrestation of North Aerica is adding to global warming because the trees tend to be darker colors that absorb sunlight and radiate it back out as heat, while farm land and grasses tend to be lighter colors that reflect more sunlight back into space. Just like walking barefoot on a street in the summer. The white line is cooler than the black pavement.

I don't know which theory is right. I do know that 95% + of the folks who write these articles start with the conclusion and look for theories that make the facts lead to that conclusion.

49 posted on 02/27/2006 12:59:55 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: blam

Since there are more trees in the US now than there were at the time of the American Revolution, that must mean we're experiencing global cooling now, right?


50 posted on 02/27/2006 1:17:17 PM PST by norwaypinesavage
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To: Fatuncle

No, no, no.

You see, slaves' descendants are dark skinned. Therefore, they absorb heat and keep North America cool. It's the whites who are evil, because their skin reflects the heat and light back and heats everything up.

This is another reason why we cannot permit drilling in ANWR. All the honkies headed up there, just by sun reflecting off their, will cause a local micro-warming that will melt the permafrost.

Oh, and in case you were wondering, that Kennewick Man business does prove that there was ONE strain of white man in North America at the time of the Indians. Where do you thing the Indians learned a nasty habit like smoking tobacco.

So that, my friends, was the contribution of the European to the Indian before Columbus and the Vikings. They were over in North America just long enough to teach the descent, hardworking native immigrants from Asia how to smoke. Then they died out. So really it wasn't the Indi...sorry, Native Americans...teaching the Europeans how to smoke tobacco, because (by definition) they could have done nothing bad. It was, rather, Native Americans reteaching whites the foul habits that the ancestors of the whites taught the Indians before dying out.

More and more science is proving all of this everyday.


51 posted on 02/27/2006 1:19:22 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: RegulatorCountry
But not primarily in London . . . which was the only place there was a major fire. The 14th c. plague hit the rural villages hardest -- hence "lost villages" like Wharram Percy, Llanellen, etc. (of course enclosure and the dissolution of the monasteries also had a lot to do with that.)

Here's some great reading right on point, from Mr. Kipling (who knew his onions): A Doctor of Medicine.

52 posted on 02/27/2006 1:23:08 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Vicomte13

Interestingly enough, this would be about the time that the greater than 50% drop in population in North America, following a series of epidemics resulted in extensive reforestation. This would then seem to counter the claims made in the article.

The drop in hunting pressure, and for some species an increase in habitat, resulted in greatly increased wildlife abundance.


53 posted on 02/27/2006 1:41:12 PM PST by Fraxinus (Warning: Opinion may be less useful than it appears)
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To: RegulatorCountry

We would have to cut the population a lot more than 1/3 to get it down to post-plague levels but that probably wouldn't worry the Gaia worshipper too much.


54 posted on 02/27/2006 1:43:29 PM PST by Ann de IL
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To: Ann de IL

Meat is murder, but if 2/3rds of people die of natural causes, it'll be ok to eat them, just so long as you don't eat anything four legged or feathered.


55 posted on 02/27/2006 2:10:52 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Conan the Librarian
"Little Ice age was caused by period of low solar activity. Maunder Minimum 1645-1715 (also the reign of Louis XIV of France the 'Sun King') The 60+ years of solar minimum had a great impact on the Earth, but, it was caused by the Sun putting out less energy. People who write this stuff forget that people can check behind them now. Like AlBore and the internet. "

The Little Ice Age was from 1300-1850 +- a few years.

56 posted on 02/27/2006 2:12:21 PM PST by blam
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To: Ann de IL
"So then, according to this theory, all we have to do to prevent global warming is to plant lots and lots of trees? That's an easy solution."

Well, I planted a long living 'Live Oak' Saturday. I'm off the hook, huh?

57 posted on 02/27/2006 2:13:59 PM PST by blam
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To: Tokra

What is the name of the book? It sounds like the kind of book I would like.


58 posted on 02/27/2006 2:14:49 PM PST by Wage Slave
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To: twigs
"NOVA, I think, has a program about survivors of the plague. "

Wouldn't most Europeans be descendents of survivors of the Plague? My family goes back to England.

59 posted on 02/27/2006 2:20:09 PM PST by blam
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To: twigs
"It was an excellent program. The Ice Age really affected a lot of history that we learn. "

It apparently starved all the Viking settlers on Greenland too.

60 posted on 02/27/2006 2:22:42 PM PST by blam
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