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Sharansky: Does democracy end tyranny?
Los Angeles Times ^ | March 5, 2006 | Natan Sharansky

Posted on 03/05/2006 3:14:50 PM PST by RWR8189

THE U.S. AGENDA to promote democracy in the Middle East appears fatally wounded. The results of recent elections in Iraq, Egypt and especially Gaza and the West Bank have led many to conclude that this agenda is terribly misguided: wonderful in theory but disastrous in practice, enabling the most dangerous and antidemocratic elements in the region to gain power through democratic means.

If true, this is certainly a worrisome turn of events. Can the skeptics be right? Is it simply too dangerous to promote freedom in the Arab world? Must the United States give up on promoting democracy and go back to supporting authoritarian governments that do its bidding?

That was the old policy. But foreign policy "realism" — the notion that the free world could buy security by supporting repressive dictators who would act in American national interests — collapsed on 9/11. That was when it became clear to many policymakers that regimes that repressed their subjects were creating breeding grounds of fanaticism and terror.

Today, many people believe that the antidote to fanaticism is to open these societies to dissent, to the free exchange of ideas, to the opportunities offered by a free market and to the hope that comes with democratic life.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: democracy; egyptelection; hamas; iraq; iraqelections; islamicdemocracy; natansharansky; palestineelection; realism; sharansky
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1 posted on 03/05/2006 3:14:52 PM PST by RWR8189
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To: RWR8189

Democracy IS tyranny. The tyranny of the majority. A republic is what we should be talking about.


2 posted on 03/05/2006 3:17:31 PM PST by frankiep
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To: RWR8189

Democracies lead to the seductive wasteland of socialism.


3 posted on 03/05/2006 3:21:14 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: RWR8189

"The recent election of Hamas is the fruit of a policy that focused on the form of democracy (elections) rather than its substance (building and protecting a free society)."

"Obviously, any regime that supports terrorism is hostile to the most fundamental principles of a free society and should therefore be treated as an enemy."

Sharansky certainly didn't write the headline to this op-ed. The LAT seems to be hoping no one reads past the second paragraph and presumes the remaining content based on the title.


4 posted on 03/05/2006 3:33:03 PM PST by downtownconservative
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To: RWR8189
What Sharansky is saying is a democratic and free civil culture is more important than a mere fetish for elections.
5 posted on 03/05/2006 3:46:35 PM PST by JAWs (Ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed. Der er intet men.)
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To: RWR8189

"Despite my faith in "democracy," I was under no illusion that elections should be held immediately. Over the previous decade, Palestinian society had become one of the most poisoned and fanatical on Earth. Day after day, on television and radio, in newspapers and schools, a generation of Palestinians had been subjected to the most vicious incitement by their own leaders. The only "right" that seemed to be upheld within Palestinian areas was the right of everyone to bear arms.

In such conditions of fear, intimidation and indoctrination, holding snap elections would have been an act of the utmost irresponsibility. That is why I proposed a plan calling for elections to be held no earlier than three years after the implementation of a series of democratic reforms. Three years, I believed, was the absolute minimum for democratic reforms to begin to change the atmosphere in which free elections could be held. Unfortunately, the plan was never implemented."


6 posted on 03/05/2006 3:48:45 PM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: frankiep
Democracy IS tyranny. The tyranny of the majority. A republic is what we should be talking about.

Well, true as far as that goes, but the thing is, in modern American parlance anyway, the word "democracy" is little other than shorthand for "constitutional democratic republic".

Nobody who advocates democracy is talking about pure democracy, after all. The notion that they are, is a straw man.

7 posted on 03/05/2006 4:00:13 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: RWR8189

How long did our Republic take to evolve into what it did? Didn't we go through a civil war?! I hate ludacrus articles like this. I mean we expect these countries to foster 2006 U.S. democracy under a Republic in months.


8 posted on 03/05/2006 4:03:33 PM PST by freedom44
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To: Dr. Frank fan

Oh no? Try telling that to the many people (yes, there are alot) who claim that Bush really didn't win the 2000 election because he lost the popular vote; and the people (again, there are alot) who don't see the necessity of the Electoral College and even go as far as to say that it is inherently wrong.

To go a bit off topic, but we are much more of a democracy than we are a republic. If our senators were appointed as representatives of their state governments as originally intended we would be more of a true republic.


9 posted on 03/05/2006 4:08:50 PM PST by frankiep
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To: RWR8189
Question:"Does democracy end tyranny?"

Response: No. It merely replaces the tyranny of one with the tyranny of the mob.

10 posted on 03/05/2006 4:09:14 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: RWR8189
Natan Sharansky makes the point that elections are not the ultimate test of democracy. They are part of the process by which rulers in free societies are legitimated by the people. Focusing on the process alone can lead to non-democrats being mistakenly accepted as legitimate representatives of the people, as with Hamas in Gaza. Sharansky contends the real measure of democracy is a society's commitment to the rule of law, separation and limitation of powers, political and religious freedom and a market economy. In other words, the substance of political government that institutes checks and balances upon the rulers and protects the people from abuse at their hands. That is the key to judging whether the peoples of the Middle East have attained true freedom. The answer to that question is an undeniable "NO". It is not something that can be rushed.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

11 posted on 03/05/2006 4:25:05 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: frankiep
Democracy IS tyranny. The tyranny of the majority. A republic is what we should be talking about.

Ding ding ding we have a winner!

12 posted on 03/05/2006 4:28:27 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:5)
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To: JAWs
Exactly. You do not hold elections simply for their own sake. If you don't build a democratic and free culture and a market economy before you hold elections, all you will do is provide an environment for anti-democratic radicals to come to power. We need to do exactly the reverse in the Middle East and that's a lot of hard work. Its not as sexy as an election campaign but the rewards are much more enduring. If we want to support Arab democrats, we need to be sure we're not empowering extremists at their expense.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

13 posted on 03/05/2006 4:29:23 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: freedom44

You obviously didn't read the article...


14 posted on 03/05/2006 4:32:56 PM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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To: goldstategop
Sharansky contends the real measure of democracy is a society's commitment to the rule of law, separation and limitation of powers, political and religious freedom and a market economy.

And there you have it - even constitutional republics are beholden to majority rule to keep them operating correctly. The problem every constitutional republic faces, is when the majority fails to properly raise up the next generation to commit to those same values.

You can't have a constitutional republic if the majority's progeny don't want their parents' constitutional republic.

15 posted on 03/05/2006 4:35:24 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:5)
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To: Alex Murphy

What's my prize???? :)


16 posted on 03/05/2006 4:37:15 PM PST by frankiep
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To: vpintheak

The democracies of Weimar Germany and Venezuela, more recently, show how delicate a flower democracy is, and how easily trampled into the dirt.


17 posted on 03/05/2006 5:08:00 PM PST by expatpat
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
(Democracy) merely replaces the tyranny of one with the tyranny of the mob.

What's your alternative? You should read the article. He is saying that a democracy is a system that protects a free society. A tyranny of the majority does not do that. U.S. policy is not to support that either. Our tutelage to Iraq is to recognize every person's inalienable rights.
18 posted on 03/05/2006 5:20:39 PM PST by kenavi ("Remember, your fathers sacrificed themselves without need of a messianic complex." Ariel Sharon)
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To: RWR8189

"to open these societies to dissent..." well, then he would have to start with rewriting the Koran.


19 posted on 03/05/2006 5:54:31 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Alex Murphy
A democracy is what you want. In a democracy the winner don't take it all. Power is distributed after how many votes each party get. A democracy can be a difficult way of running a country, but it can be and is for the most part excellent.
20 posted on 03/06/2006 5:11:08 AM PST by tomjohn77
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