Posted on 05/13/2006 10:43:55 AM PDT by blam
You can't get mitochondrial DNA from your father. It's not possible.
Even if a Roman soldier had a gypsy mother, none of his children would have her mitochondrial DNA.
My sons have my mitochondrial DNA but it stops there. Their children will get their mitochondrial DNA from their mothers.
"Ancient warrior classes of India" my foot.
White men once again dig up graves in a known Church graveyard. Typical. Of course it's in the name of science, do that makes it okay.
Interesting Romani-related link...
An early instance of being left on the door step by Gypsies.
http://www.geocities.com/~Patrin/timeline.htm
Did you know that this is the birth of the history of Zott?
"820-834. Zott state established on the banks of the River Tigris
855. The Persian chronicler Tabari relates how large numbers of Zott are taken prisoner when the Byzantines attack Syria. "
This man may be a descendant of Vikings. The Vikings penetrated far into Russia and Eastern Europe during the Dark Ages, as far as the Black Sea and Persia. One of them may have courted (or more probably, kidnapped) a fetching gypsy girl and brought her back to Denmark as his wife (or more likely, his servant and concubine). All of their offspring would have had the Romani mitochondrial DNA, and all of their female descendants would have passed it on, perhaps for centuries.
So perhaps this man was born of a Saxon father, and a woman of mixed Saxon and Danish blood who had a Gypsy great-great-grandmother. The Danes invaded much of the eastern part of England, including Norwich, in the 8th through 10th centuries. They might well have brought along some gypsy blood acquired in the 6th or 7th centuries.
-ccm
Or maybe the gypsies didn't really originate from Northern India? Nobody really knows where they came from.
It's an exceedingly weird culture. I know it's an "offensive stereotype" to say that they're thieves, but it's also true.
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Or maybe they did come from Northern India, after all. Apparently there are still nomadic tribes in Nothern India that are considered "criminal tribes" because they are professional thieves.
Of course this is just "offensive stereotyping" -- at least that's the official word.
Except that they really do steal and commit fraud. Ask any cop.
Interesting.
"Modern methods only recently discovered allow for lots of new links to be made, such as finding where an individual originated from through their genes."
Since it was only recently that they had this ability and used this technology it might not be "rare".
A Tinker's Ping!
Surprise at this finding basically rests on ignorance of the connections between Saxon England and the late Roman Empire (by your leave, the Empire did not change names simply because the last Western Augustus was retired to a villa near Naples in 476--the name 'Byzantine Empire' is a fiction created by Western post-Enlightenment 'scholars' with an anti-Christian agenda).
Pipe organs (used at the Imperial court in Constantinople, though not in Orthodox churches) first came to Europe with a gift to King Alfred the Great of Wessex. He installed it in the cathedral, as it, not his palace, was the only building in his kingdom capable of housing the gift.
Likewise in the 11th century, Saxon nobles fleeing the Normans went principally to Constantinople and Kiev: a chapel for the Saxons was built in Constantinople in 1090, and the daughter of King Harold Godwinson (or St. Harold, Last Orthodox King of England, as some of us Orthodox prefer to call him) married Prince Vladimir Monomach of Kiev.
(In passing I would note that the cornonation rite of St. Harold is still extant, and the creed was recited without the filioque. Likewise England was temporarily out of communion with Rome when the mutual anathemas of 1054 were promulgated--indeed the Normans had a papal mandate to reduce the English church to papal rule--so that Orthodox, especially of British ancestry, tend to regard England as having remained Orthodox until 1066.)
I recall an article a long time ago, maybe in Scientific American, about some cats in the Hebrides or maybe the isle of Man being related to some cats in the Black Sea area, and the explanation they came up with was the Vikings might have carried cats with them on their ships. The Vikings got around.
Yup. Also, very clannish.
Talk about a woman in every port...they had kids in every port.
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