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The March of the Dhimmis goes on.
1 posted on 05/17/2006 8:51:12 PM PDT by sageb1
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"Surely all terrorists are not Muslim, neither are all Muslims terrorists."

I agree not all Muslims are terrorists. However, I disagree with the rest of this statement.

2 posted on 05/17/2006 8:54:49 PM PDT by hsalaw
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Surely all terrorists are not Muslim, neither are all Muslims terrorists.

But such a huge percentage of terrorists are muslims.

That's why this organization is putting forth such a PR battle. Just camouflage.

3 posted on 05/17/2006 8:55:57 PM PDT by onewhowatches
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The words "terrorist" and "Islam" are "juxtaposed because most of the current world terrorism is associated with Muslims. Duh. Not all, but entirely too many Muslims keep their bombs in their Buicks, their women in bags, and their heads up their butts.

If CAIR doesn't like that association, perhaps they should send a delegation to Baghdad to sneak around the right corner and tell the terrorists, "Cut this crap out. You're giving us a bad name." Yeah, right, like that'll ever happen.

Except for providing a sardonic laugh or two, CAIR is irrelevant in the real world.

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6 posted on 05/17/2006 8:59:09 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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Surely all terrorists are not Muslim, neither are all Muslims terrorists."

While strictly true, the second statement is close enough to being true to not matter, the vast majority of terrorists are Islamic. It remains true that all Muslims are not terrorists, but in many cases that due to a surplus, such as it is, of sense, not lack of motivation or desire.

7 posted on 05/17/2006 8:59:33 PM PDT by El Gato
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aww but CAIR cares. you evil infidels just need to submit to their version of tolerance. /s
8 posted on 05/17/2006 9:00:36 PM PDT by kinoxi
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"reporters are hundred times more likely to associate Islam with terrorism or militancy than all other faiths combined."

The truth be told, if these reporters were honest they'd be associating terrorism and militancy with islam far more than they already do. CAIR is just the propaganda arm of islamic terrorism anyway. Their job is to put a smiley face on islam so they can create more unsuspecting throats to cut.

10 posted on 05/17/2006 9:03:34 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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Unfortunately, all too often "Islam" and "terrorism" are juxtaposed in news reports and editorials. A word search on news stories published in major newspapers over the past decade shows that reporters are hundred times more likely to associate Islam with terrorism or militancy than all other faiths combined.

Ah. The problem is the newspapers, rather than the Islamics who commit terrorism.

11 posted on 05/17/2006 9:05:08 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck , looks like a duck, maybe, just maybe, what you have , is , in fact , a duck!


13 posted on 05/17/2006 9:22:45 PM PDT by Nateman (Socialism and cancer are nearly the same thing.)
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yeah they're not all terrorists.

But of course, we know that all Americans are racist, sexist, homophobes that hate Muslims...


14 posted on 05/17/2006 9:23:42 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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He brings up the Tamil Tigers and makes the point that while they are Marxist-Lenninst are principally Hindu. He equates their terrorism with the terrorism done by Muslims. He of course misses the point that the Tamil-Tigers aren't carrying out their war in the name of their religion, to further their religion rather to establish a Maxist-Lenninist state. Islamic terrorist on the other hand are taking actions in the name of Islam, to establish Islamic states and to punish those who insult, or otherwise don't give Islam it's proper place in the world. There is a big difference in the motivations. His example doesn't work.

He mentions the PPK a Kurdish separatist (Marxist) group who the Turks took on. Again he misses the point this is a nationalist group that is incidentally Muslim who are taking action against another Islamic country. Their goals is to establish an independent Kurdistan. The same can be said about in part about the Chechen's even though they are fighting against the Russians. It's not all attributable to Nationalism in their case,however.

His argument that religion is only an "aggravating factor" in the case of Islam seems very weak. It's an attempt to hide the made cause behind the terrorism described as Islamic Terrorism. What we have playing out is the House of Peace (Islam) fighting its natural enemy, The House of War (everyone else including other Muslims who don't believe the way they do and are apostates.). This is what's called for in the Koran.
19 posted on 05/17/2006 9:43:31 PM PDT by airedale ( XZ)
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Terrorism is stateless and yet transnational.

IOW, don't hold a government that sponsors terrorism responsible.

It will always require a stern response.

Like a good talking-to by Dad.

However, it will never be defeated through force alone.

Maybe not, but so far force is the only thing that seems to have any effect.

It will have to be fought ideologically by attempting to win the hearts and minds of those vulnerable to terrorist manipulations.

So let's try the Ann Coulter solution!

22 posted on 05/17/2006 10:09:10 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (I'm not being defensive. You're the one being defensive.)
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The European Union (EU) will soon distribute new guidelines to its 25-member nations that recommend using "non-emotive lexicon for discussing radicalization."

The EUSSR is engagomg in doublespeak again. Is there an altavista babblefish translation for this phrase?

24 posted on 05/17/2006 10:58:28 PM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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EU officials say that the guidelines, which are not legally binding, will ask European governments to shun the phrase "Islamic terrorism" in favor of "terrorists who abusively invoke Islam." Other terms being considered by the review include "Islamist," "fundamentalist" and "jihad."

This first of its kind effort to separate terrorism from its perceived roots is laudable.

Oh I get it now. The jihadists who repeatedly USE the word jihad for the Holy War they have declared cannot be called jihadists. Gotcha.

26 posted on 05/17/2006 11:00:02 PM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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Associating the criminal enterprise of terrorism with the faith of 1.4 billion Muslims, 99.99 percent of whom will never come near any act of terrorism, much less use Islam as a justification for their crimes, is just plain wrong.

I've NEVER heard that it is .01% of muslims who are radical. Generally the apologists claim it is only 10-15%.

And I see they've bumped UP the number of muslims worldwide from 1-1.2billion to 1.4billion.

So .01% (.0001) of 1,400,000,000 translates to 140,000 hardcore terrorists of the type who attacked the WTC twice and regularly blow up parts of Israel. Feel safer yet?

27 posted on 05/17/2006 11:05:02 PM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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The pioneering instigators and the largest purveyors of suicide terrorism are the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka, a Marxist-Leninist group whose members are overwhelmingly Hindu.

How do their numbers of hijackings of airplanes compare with those of muslims? Talk about pioneers.

28 posted on 05/17/2006 11:07:16 PM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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Diego Gambetta in "Making Sense of Suicide Missions" calls suicide missions "the high-precision artillery of the militarily challenged" yet they all have a strategic objective.

Pape writes, "From Lebanon to Israel to Sri Lanka to Kashmir to Chechnya, the sponsors of every campaign have been terrorist groups trying to establish or maintain political self determination by compelling a democratic power to withdraw from a territory they claim."

Pay attention. This is what the "Atzlan" La Raza-ists are claiming. That this is Mexican/indigenous peoples' land and we are invaders.

CAIR is not our friend.

29 posted on 05/17/2006 11:10:15 PM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

Governments in Muslim-majority nations, religious establishments and the lay community have a vested interest in fighting back to isolate and marginalize the terrorists.

Hidden from our headlines are on-going efforts to do just that.

MAKE it the headline issue or else you ARE bowing to the terrorists you claim to hate. I have yet to see peace marches protesting terrorism that anywhere come close to the number of people rallying against the 12 cartoons.

31 posted on 05/17/2006 11:14:24 PM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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Will others follow their lead or will they choose to remain entrapped in their simplistic and counterproductive labels, which unfortunately spawn even more bizarre terms such as 'Islamo-fascism,' or 'militant jihadism'?

Who are they kidding?

Watch http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/ to see the face of Islam they deny exists.

32 posted on 05/17/2006 11:16:36 PM PDT by weegee (Slowly but surely and deliberately, converativism is being made a thoughtcrime.)
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Islam is a direct threat to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.


37 posted on 05/17/2006 11:23:33 PM PDT by Spruce (Keep your mitts off my wallet)
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ping


40 posted on 05/17/2006 11:39:47 PM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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