Posted on 05/21/2006 5:59:08 PM PDT by quidnunc
I suppose killing those stupid programs isn't even a fit topic for discussion.
L
P.S. There are no 'trust funds' for either of the programs you mentioned. Any politician who says differently is lying.
Pure insanity! We're going to "save" social security by putting millions of Illegals on the rolls who only have to pay in minimal payments for 18 months before they can collect? They'll pay in a few bucks, and then collect thousands for decades? What are these stupid Republicans smoking these days? Each idea they come up with is stupider than the last. This one takes the cake!
"Conservative rhetoric has been off-putting in the extreme to fence-sitters (i.e, moderates)."
Really? So Senator Dick "Marines murdered innocent Iraqis" Durbin is closer to the moderates point of view?
Wishful liberal thinking.
"I suppose killing those stupid programs isn't even a fit topic for discussion."
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Actually that was one of my points on another thread.
Social Security Failure Is Bipartisan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1635968/posts
The trustees of Social Security and Medicare have issued their annual reports and the news is not good. Social Security will be insolvent by 2040, by which time the last of the Baby Boomers will have hit retirement age. Medicare, with a push from the Part D drug entitlement, is much closer to financial failure: Medicare taxes and fees no longer cover expenses, costs will be nearly double dedicated taxes and fees by 2012, and it will be insolvent by 2018.
That’s what is in store for Social Security and Medicare if politicians do nothing. Credit President Bush for proposing serious reform that would have reduced demand for unsustainable benefits. But the failure is bipartisan. And the longer Washington waits, the harsher, more GM-like the necessary changes will become
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This was an excerpt from the article. My point is that we shouuld get our priorities straight, based on what has the largest impact on us.
1. War on Terror -- Bush is pursuing it to the max, while Dems would unilaterally disarm us, to fight global warming, instead.
2. JUDGES -- we still need a Republican Congress to confirm Bush's nominees.
3. TAXES -- demand that Congress make tax cuts permanent
4. Social Security and Medicare reform -- need it NOW. Privatize social security.
5. ENERGY SECURITY: DRILL in US controlled areas: ANWR, Gulf, coastal areas, to become independent of foreign oil -- we can't "conserve ourselves" into prosperity.
6. Stop illegal immigration -- which President Bush is doing. What is the problem with the guest worker program, our unemployment is very low, it's not as if they would take jobs from unemployed Americans, and as long as they also secure the border, what's the problem?
I don't know about a break. I'm praying for legislative gridlock, myself. Nothing good for conservatives can come out of any new legislation.
Spoken like a true "fence-sitting" moderate.
If the goal was to generate tax revenue out of immigrants, we would not be granting permanent residence to poorly educated, low skill, low wage Mexicans. Such individuals are a significant fiscal net drain.
If we wanted to shore up our fiscal situation we would be deporting illegals, to make room for high education legal immigrants of our choosing.
The push for amnesty does not come out of fiscal concerns, it originates elsewhere. The Social Security excuse is a shibboleth to justify the unjustifiable.
Can't vouch for Malkin and Colter but I have been listening to Laura Ingraham every day, you are either dead wrong or listening to her with extreme prejudice and hearing something else, because she NEVER took an extreme position of "kick em all out" in fact she is more concerned about border security which is a separate but related issue to law enforcement.
As for the fence sitters, they usually are tuned into sports or music in the morning and study the issues the night before an election anyway,
So I see your points spiraling into the ground in flames at this moment...lol
If I'm a moderate then you're a crazier-than-an-outhouse-rat wingnut straight from the fever swamps.
As Paul Greenberg says, I'm a conservative, but I'm not a damn fool about it.
OMG, Another Bush bashing post! Bush must have had a good reason for the Part D entitlement. It would have been worse with Democrats.
I see no evidence of that.
What is the problem with the guest worker program, our unemployment is very low,
When it's zero we can talk about importing illiterate folks from 2nd and 3rd world countries.
it's not as if they would take jobs from unemployed Americans,
You have no evidence with which to make this assertion.
Your points 2, 3, 4, and 5 are interesting. Are you aware of the fact that the Republicans have majorities in both the House and the Senate and haven't been able to do even one of those things?
So apparently a Republican majority isn't going to accomplish any of those things. What is needed is a majority of conservatives. Sadly we aren't going to see that for a very long time, if ever.
L
SSA is an Executive branch agency whose director is appointed by the President. Director Joann Barnhardt is so eager to give U.S. Social Security benefits to Mexicans that she signed the U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement in July 2004 and built an SSA building in Mexico: sort of a branch office, paid for by American taxpayers. Barnhardt is among our many civil servants who can’t keep accurate records. She told the Senate that her agency isn’t able to prevent fraudulent wage transfers for years prior to 2004.
Giving amnesty to several millions of illegal aliens, which automatically entitles them to future AND PAST Social Security would be like throwing anchors on a sinking ship. This ship is named the U.S. Social Security. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=6641
The point is that major reforms are necessary for both Social Security and Medicare.
Part D was enacted, because people keep screaming "gimme this, gimme that", and don't understand that the bits adn pieces are not a long term solution.
I was being polite. I actually think you are a Open Borders liberal, which explains your hatred of right-wing am radio talk show hosts.
Are you aware that the Republicans don't have a filibuster-proof majority and the DEMOCRATS were the ones who obstructed every time the Republicans tried to do anything about social security, taxes, etc?
More doom and gloom from the left.The author thinks we need to start a guest worker program,and a path toward "normalization"for the illegals already here(12mill+).The consequences if we don't will result in(1)Medicare and SS becoming insolvent sooner than estimated,and(2)The Mexicans will elect a leftist as their next president.Sounds like bs to me.
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