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The Big Picture: On immigration, conservatives need to give Bush a break
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | May 21, 2006 | Jack Kelly

Posted on 05/21/2006 5:59:08 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: WOSG
FWIW, I called Sen chambliss and found out that he supports ending birthright citizenship; I asked if such an amendment was going to be made to the Senate bill and was told it wasnt. So apparently, this was considered a poison-pill to the RINO-Dem immigration bill. sigh.

Yeah, Frist has forgotten how to ram such legislation through again. Funny how that works.
81 posted on 05/22/2006 5:46:49 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: quidnunc

"Millions" of new workers gettin' the Earned Income Tax Credit are not going to save SS or MediCare. They were Ponzi schemes from the beginning and now the bottom falls out.

And, if Calderon wins, we're gonna need that wall on the southern border to keep out a huge wave of economic refugees.

President Bush needs to get his priorities straight.


82 posted on 05/22/2006 5:49:56 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: WOSG
WOSG wrote: Now, let me ask you... A Mexican woman crosses the border at 11am and arrives at 1pm in border-town hospital, in labor. She has no legal visa. She gives birth at 5pm that day, having been a Mexican citizen her entire life and on American soil 6 hours, with no legal right to be here. Is that woman "subject to the jurisdiction" under the meaning of that clause in the XIVth?"

If the baby was stillborn, wouldn't it be issued a death certificate for legal purposes and then wouldn't it be an American citizen which could be used as an anchor baby?

Betcha it would.
83 posted on 05/22/2006 5:51:30 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: GregH
You must be dreaming. The President has shown no leadership at all in protecting the sovereignty of our country.

He's deliberately stood aside and allowed the House of Lords and the leftist media to set the agenda....an agenda which is taking our nation right down the tubes.

Leni

84 posted on 05/22/2006 6:01:55 AM PDT by MinuteGal (FReeps Ahoy 4 cruisers are home! Check the cruise thread for photos. Hit red "4" on Home Page)
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To: petkus
"It is up to President Bush to secure these borders just like the airports are secure after 9/11 !"

Amen! While I love President Bush and his stance on most issues, I detest the fact a crimmigrat has less government interference getting into this country than I do taking a flight for business (which by the way I no longer do because of the TSA Vs. the 4th Amendment).

If crimmigrants can be rewarded with citizenship and the right to vote (see note below) what reward should a US Citizen get when they break the law?

NOTE: The ONLY reason for not making illegal entry to the USA a felony is because then they could not vote. We have been sold out by both parties. I do not believe for one minute anything I hear from the House or Senate. It is all about votes, votes, votes. He, who will bend us over far enough, expects to get the crimmigrant vote.

85 posted on 05/22/2006 6:10:08 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: FairOpinion
"Are you aware that the Republicans don't have a filibuster-proof majority and the DEMOCRATS were the ones who obstructed every time the Republicans tried to do anything about social security, taxes, etc?"

Perfect. Let them filibuster! Use their own treachery against them in future elections. How better to defeat a liberal than to show how they refused to do one of the few things the Feds mandated to do under our former Constitution. Bring on the filibuster! If we are going to lose by giving up or by filibuster then filibuster is a beautiful option.

86 posted on 05/22/2006 6:17:54 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: derSchurfer
"What makes the Author think that adding more workers to pay into the system is going to solve the problem?"

You've got that right derSchurfer! Adding more people to a ponzi scheme simply makes the pyramid more unstable.

87 posted on 05/22/2006 6:20:28 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: janetgreen
If he wants to become an American citizen, he must apply for citizenship.

He is legally entitled to it and his application is granted automatically. That's under current statutory law. Whether the Constitution requires that result is a separate question.

88 posted on 05/22/2006 6:32:01 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: quidnunc
Medicare and Social Security are going broke chiefly because there aren't enough workers paying into the systems to support beneficiaries. Unless millions of new workers can be found to pay the payroll tax, the retirement of the baby boom generation will bust both programs.

Ahhh, yes - a pyramid scheme is only profitable for the top level, and only as long as new layers are brought in to the bottom row. In lieu of actually fixing social security (hint: privatize it) and the Medicare system, the author proposes that the ponzi/pyramid scheme continue. Typical liberal, always wanting to gain wealth by stealing someone else's money.

89 posted on 05/22/2006 6:38:35 AM PDT by meyer (Permanently boycott all businesses that close for the May 1st illegal alien march!)
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To: GregH

" Create enough legal avenues for employment-sponsored immigration so we can wean employers off illegal immigrant labor; this may include new visa like temp worker visa "

"Thats what President Bush had in mind when he suggested a guset worker program but some of the so called conservatives attacked him over his plan then because of their opposition to such a temporary visa program. It is difficult to please some on the hard side of this immigration issue."

He was attacked in 2004 when this came out by some who thought it was a stealth form of amnesty. I defended Bush then, saying, no it was not. It's 2 separate things.

However, the way the Senate bill is written, they've added a special visa for illegal immigrants that *is* amnesty/legalization. The two concepts have unfortunately been tied together and the critics thinking it was stealth amnesty can be justified in their suspicions.

... they also madethe 'temporary work' visa be anything but; you can file for the green card the next day after getting the 'temporary work' visa.

This kind of bait-and-switch only makes the issue more confusing and the real middle-ground solutions harder to achieve.

What I specifically favor would be:
- 3 employer visa categories
- skilled (H1B, as it is today),
- unskilled (akin to current Senate version, where you can convert to LPR over time )
- temporary (use sen Hutchison proposal, work max of 10 months/year, not able to convert to LPR)
- also, have a 4th perhaps of 'highly skilled/important'
for the 'best and the brightest' type people who want to immigrate, such as professors, PhDs, etc.
= to compensate for increase employer based immigration,
reduce the family immigration quotas, end adult sibling immigration, eliminate the diversity quota, etc. basically end chain migration. Ending the birthright citizenship would help there too.
and ...

... NO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!



90 posted on 05/22/2006 8:09:26 AM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: quidnunc

and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,

The interpretation of those words is the key. Since illegal aliens are Mexico's citizens, my interpretation is that they are NOT subject to the jurisdiction thereof.


91 posted on 05/22/2006 9:07:38 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Joe Bfstplk

What is so sad for a Prez I love, is that he is so blind as are the Senate Gopers on the fact that even in Pub primaries,the issue seems to be illegal immigration and many incumbants are being pushed to run-offs. That should tell the WH something but it appears so far, it does not.


92 posted on 05/22/2006 11:20:59 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Lurker
Another liberal columnist trying to 'help' conservatives. Wrong. Take a closer look at Jack Kelly and the Star-Tribune. They have been regularly derided as "right wing" by the MSM.
93 posted on 05/22/2006 11:27:01 AM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: quidnunc

"Conservatives can't elect national candidates without attracting a sizable percentage of the moderates..."


Oddly enough, Republicans can't get elected without attracting a certain amount of their conservative base...."


That axe swings both ways.


94 posted on 05/22/2006 3:00:07 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: EternalVigilance

"We must scrap the sovereignty of our nation in order to keep Socialist Security solvent.

You nailed it.


95 posted on 05/22/2006 3:01:42 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: quidnunc

Why? Dubya works hard to keep us from being conquered by a bunch of third world jihadists, but allows us to be taken over by a bunch 3rd world invaders from mexico.


96 posted on 05/22/2006 3:16:30 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: nicmarlo
"more screed from sell-out America firsters."

Precisely so.

97 posted on 05/22/2006 5:59:55 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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