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WMDs still in Iraq?
THe American Thinker ^ | 6-04-06 | Doug Hanson

Posted on 06/05/2006 2:38:43 PM PDT by Renfield

Sean Osborne, Associate Director and Senior Analyst at the Northeast Intelligence Network relays a stunning report on the frustrations of retired Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) agent Paul “Dave” Gaubatz. According to Gaubatz he has had a three year battle in trying to get the Iraqi Survey Group (ISG) or any other appropriate agency to investigate four sites in Iraq suspected of having biological and chemical weapons.

Gaubitz, a 20 year active duty veteran, was also a specially trained US Federal counter-intelligence agent and Arabic linguist. In April of 2003 he was sent to Iraq and while there,

…had identified (with other Federal Agents) 4 sites that were highly suspected of containing biological and/or chemical weapons. The sites were identified by very credible Iraqis who had knowledge and access to the areas. They risked their lives to provide intelligence about the sites and to take U.S. personnel to the locations. The sites would require heavy equipment to exploit the sites. The material was alleged to be buried deep and under water. To this date the sites have not been inspected.

I first spoke publicly about the WMD sites never being searched only after the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) and the White House announced in late 2004 that the search for WMD was over.

Over two years ago, I wrote this article for AT about the flawed search procedures used by the ISG, and about the ISG’s habit of contradicting or downplaying chemical weapons caches found by trained Coalition forces. Now, Agent Gaubitz has reinforced my suspicions of an agency seemingly unable, or more than likely, unwilling to find evidence of Saddam’s WMD stockpile.

According to Gaubitz’ timeline, he deployed as a civilian agent to the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI) first into Saudi Arabia and then Nasiriyah, Iraq (Tallil Air base) from January to July 2003. He had two primary missions: Counter-terrorism and locating WMD. In April through July 2003, he and five other federal agents identified four suspected WMD sites in southern Iraq. He made numerous attempts to ISG to get the sites exploited.

To date (5 May 2006) this has not happened. Since that time, he stayed in contact with U.S. Government personnel and Iraqis who had reported the original WMD sites.

In recent months, he contacted Representative Pete Hoekstra and has held meetings with Congressman Curt Weldon. At this point he notes the process became very “political” in that Weldon

…did not want to inform any member of the DOD because he did not trust them. Congressman Hoekstra told him he shouldn’t say that. The Congressmen told me they did not want to inform any member of the Democratic Party because if we get to the sites and they have been exploited by insurgents/terrorists during the last 3 years, it would be very embarrassing to them and President Bush. Congressmen Weldon stated if we go to Iraq and locate the WMD it would help with the upcoming elections.

Gaubitz also maintains that Sharon Behn of the Washington Times interviewed him several times via phone and emails about the WMD sites and obtaining background information about the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI) “losing” all of the reports submitted by Gaubitz and the other Agents assigned to Tallil Air Base Nasiriyah, Iraq. Later, he was informed by Behn that she was not going to publish the article despite (in Gaubitz’ view) the facts having been corroborated. His belief is that the article had been “squashed.”

I have no further insight into Gaubitz’ meetings with the Congressmen, or his interviews with Sharon Behn. I can say his frustrations with the ISG are remarkably similar to my experiences with them in the summer of 2003. Amazingly, the case is still not closed on Saddam’s WMD. Only now, it’s possible that terrorists may have possession of WMD at the sites that we willingly chose not to exploit and secure.

Hat Tip: Dr. Mohamed Ibn Guadi


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gaubitz; govwatch; iraq; iraqiintelligence; isg; prewardocs; prewarintelligence; wmd
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To: malia

Thank you :)


21 posted on 06/05/2006 4:34:26 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

I don't know whether to laugh or cry - all that you are passing on to us and doing for everyone --

you thank me!

Well, you are very welcome and thank you!

Mahalo nui loa


22 posted on 06/05/2006 5:04:47 PM PDT by malia (FLIGHT 93 DID MORE TO FIGHT TERRORISM THAN THE WHOLE OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY!!)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; 11B3; 2111USMC; 2Jedismom; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; A Ruckus of Dogs; AdA$tra; ...
BUMP for a very important post, which may need FReeper help.

WMDs still in Iraq?
THe American Thinker ^ | 6-04-06 | Doug Hanson


23 posted on 06/05/2006 5:19:08 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Renfield; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ..

Ping!


24 posted on 06/05/2006 5:25:08 PM PDT by fanfan (I wouldn't be so angry with them if they didn't want to kill me!)
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To: fanfan

As John Howard once said, there were no road signs with WMD written on them. It is my understanding that Iraq had, amongst other things, anthrax. Note the recent London raids where the authorities were concerned that terrorist suspects were planning to use bombs to disperse cyanide. Although it turned out they did not have cyanide, the consequences of a bomb dispersing cyanide are too horrific to contemplate.


25 posted on 06/05/2006 5:35:58 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Diogenesis

Thanks for the ping Diogenesis.
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26 posted on 06/05/2006 5:38:25 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Fair Go; GMMAC; backhoe; All
I hope they don't have one set of people leading the cops on a wild goose chase, and another set doing the actual jihading.

I don't like tomorrows date.
Not because of the date, but because of what 'they' might make of it.
27 posted on 06/05/2006 5:42:01 PM PDT by fanfan (I wouldn't be so angry with them if they didn't want to kill me!)
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To: fanfan

Good point!


28 posted on 06/05/2006 6:09:38 PM PDT by Fair Go
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To: Diogenesis

I read an interview a few months ago in Frontpage Mag (I think) with this gentleman. He said that the southern part of Iraq was never searched--that the Iraqi Survey Group believed that the WMD would only be found in the Northern part of Iraq as that is how it was previously. He said that they only did flyover searches, and that this stuff has been buried underground and chained down in the river.

He also said the most alarming thing, and that was that by the time the Administration sees this kind of intel it is so politically scrubbed that it is barely recognizable. I will see if I can find the link and post it.


29 posted on 06/05/2006 6:09:46 PM PDT by Shelayne (Here's a novel idea--let's wait for the facts to come out before we rush to judgment!)
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To: Renfield
WTF!

Gaubatz: My sources confirm much of the information that is stated by the individual who claims to be "General Al-Tikriti", but they are suspicious of anyone they can't see or can't hear in their natural voice. Arabic is such a distinctive language that native Arabic speakers can tell a lot about the person by the words, tone, and mannerisms displayed during the conversation. There is little doubt Saddam had WMDs and that the Russians were involved in hiding them and possibly also removing them.

I feel Mr. Loftus, Mr. Mauro, myself, and many others realize WMDs were/are in Iraq, but to convince others is difficult. This silhouette will not do it (again I am not a disbeliever). During the last two months I have had conversations with Congressman Curt Weldon, Congressman Pete Hoekstra, their staff, and even arranged to have three of the original Iraqi sources brought to the Congressmen's office for debriefings (ref:) This still hasn't resulted in suspected WMD sites from being searched in Iraq.

Based on my extensive conversations with the Congressmen and their staff, they are afraid that if they searched the suspected sites in Iraq that I identified, and the WMD has been removed by terrorists, it would destroy the upcoming elections for the Republican Party. If it was done three years ago (as I tried to get done), we would all know. Now politics is involved. We have a tough fight ahead.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22645

30 posted on 06/05/2006 6:11:29 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: Shelayne

See post #30.


31 posted on 06/05/2006 6:12:31 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat
Yes. It's infuriating, isn't it.

Also this quote from a previous thread (italics mine):

I have provided detailed information to Congressman Pete Hoekstra and Congressman Curt Weldon. The 15 plus pages of detailed information I provided to them leaves no doubt accurate and verifiable intelligence was obtained about WMD in southern Iraq. I not only provided them names, addresses, and phone numbers of Iraqis who can confirm the WMDs, but also the Russian and Iranian involvement. The latest information was provided to Congressman Weldon during the period 16 Mar 2006, through 4 Apr 2006. I spent several days assisting them in converting military grid coordinates into longitude and latitude, which would put them within one meter of the sites.

FP: Do you feel President Bush and Congress were provided accurate intelligence before, during, and after the war?

Gaubatz: The most accurate intelligence is what is initially obtained by ground intelligence officers. The intelligence myself and other Agents obtained on the ground never reached our President or Congress. The intelligence they eventually received was so diluted and politically scrubbed, that it was often far from the original intelligence we received.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1611149/posts

32 posted on 06/05/2006 6:25:53 PM PDT by Shelayne (Here's a novel idea--let's wait for the facts to come out before we rush to judgment!)
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To: TexKat
Based on my extensive conversations with the Congressmen and their staff, they are afraid that if they searched the suspected sites in Iraq that I identified, and the WMD has been removed by terrorists, it would destroy the upcoming elections for the Republican Party. If it was done three years ago (as I tried to get done), we would all know. Now politics is involved. We have a tough fight ahead.

Well, I don't think this would paint a positive picture of the Dems either since they have been saying that there NEVER was WMD--which one has to wonder how they get away with saying something so obviously untrue, but I digress.

Anyway, go scout the sites regardless. This country has to get its head out of the sand. If we don't face this enemy head-on, we are doomed. Look at what is going on in Canada and Britain. Our media is putting their fingers in their ears doing the la-la-la song, and they should be front and center on this. Politics, schmolitics. Find the doggone WMD! Sheeeesh.

33 posted on 06/05/2006 6:42:23 PM PDT by Shelayne (Here's a novel idea--let's wait for the facts to come out before we rush to judgment!)
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To: Shelayne
Gaubatz: The most accurate intelligence is what is initially obtained by ground intelligence officers. The intelligence myself and other Agents obtained on the ground never reached our President or Congress. The intelligence they eventually received was so diluted and politically scrubbed, that it was often far from the original intelligence we received.

I'm not buying this. Someone, somewhere is not telling the truth, exaggerating, or hiding something.

34 posted on 06/05/2006 6:46:08 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: Diogenesis

Bumpity bump.


35 posted on 06/05/2006 7:06:19 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

And bump to you, neighbor.


36 posted on 06/05/2006 9:36:57 PM PDT by T'wit ("There is nothing so strong or safe in an emergency of life as the simple truth." -- Charles Dickens)
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To: jveritas
I still have the grid coordinates in my GPS. The location is just on the other side of the cameraman taking this picture. In fact two of the guys in the pictures had symptoms of chemical exposure. We just never knew what chemicals.

http://www.edelbrock.com/media/news/2003/company/troops.html


37 posted on 06/05/2006 10:16:00 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascism, now ACT LIKE IT, PRESIDENT BUSH!)
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To: Diogenesis; Renfield; jveritas; Grampa Dave; devolve; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Travis McGee; ..
The author asks why the Iraq Survey Group will not investigate four Iraqi WMD sites.

I asked Domenici's staffer why Weldon does not get a hearing. I was taken aback when the staffer flippantly suggested Weldon was "running for something or out for an award"--

Ye gods and little fishes, this is national security, not Beltway Follies.

I am asking Bill Gertz, but first found him exposing this screaming scandal in our own dinosaur DOD:

Pentagon ousts official who tied Russia, Iraq arms

You read this cannibalistic crap wherein our own bureaucratic martinets eat the messenger and you wonder how have we survived to date and how will we survive past the next North American Islamofascist WMD Workshop and Prayer Meeting.

Is this a War on Terrorism, George, or is this all hat and no discernible cerebrum?

38 posted on 06/06/2006 12:22:39 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Renfield

39 posted on 06/06/2006 12:32:32 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Renfield; jveritas
WMDs still in Iraq?

Yep. And I've been saying that on here for a couple of years now.

I can't say much more than that. At least not until I'm gone from Iraq for good.

40 posted on 06/06/2006 12:36:22 AM PDT by Allegra (Thread Hijacker Extraordinaire)
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