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Mark Steyn: Before the white man came? War
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| 07/18/06
| Mark Steyn
Posted on 07/18/2006 7:45:03 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Great article!
Please add me to your Steyn ping list. Thanks.
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posted on
07/18/2006 8:35:25 AM PDT
by
RightField
(The older you get ... the older "old" is !)
To: IronJack
They killed for the sheer activity of it ... The Aztecs ate the "sacrifice" victims because they needed protein. Antropologist Marvin Harris writes of this. Aztlan.
Columbus decided to keep what he found secret, writing a secret letter to the Pope. The Pope endeavored his church to save the savages' souls.
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posted on
07/18/2006 8:35:34 AM PDT
by
Poincare
To: Pokey78
A little pre-history:
Genesis 6:13: "So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth."
(and Steyn is about the only reason I bother listening to Hugh Hewitt).
43
posted on
07/18/2006 8:37:20 AM PDT
by
mikeus_maximus
(Hey George! Read OUR lips: Build the wall!)
To: Stallone
Hey!,...who's face is that I see on that birdcage liner?
Is that the,......HILDABEAST?!!! Good place for it.
Thank you, nice Photoshop. From your computer to the 2008 election.
What a loathsome creature she is.
44
posted on
07/18/2006 8:40:28 AM PDT
by
garyhope
(It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
To: Restorer
> The Romans, at Cannae, lost 50,000 killed out of 80,000 men in a few hours. That is a much higher death rate than any of our bloody Civil War battles. Such losses were not uncommon in ancient warfare.
There's actually a good reason for that: it was face-to-face. When Side A met Side B in combat, they'd hack away at each other until Side A decided to call it quits. But Side B would be *right* *there*, and would hack 'em to bits when Side A turned to run. You simply couldn't escape the victor.
Then long range weapons became the order of the day. When Side A decided they were losing, they could turn and run and dodge behind trees and such much easier, since the enemy was now at some distance.
45
posted on
07/18/2006 8:41:20 AM PDT
by
orionblamblam
(I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
To: Poincare
The mass extinction of large animals in North America being caused by the Clovis hunters is no longer dogma. It is highly debated.
46
posted on
07/18/2006 8:42:08 AM PDT
by
Restorer
To: garyhope
LEFTARDS ATTACK!
47
posted on
07/18/2006 8:42:50 AM PDT
by
Stallone
(Mainstream Media is dead. I helped kill it.)
To: RightField
48
posted on
07/18/2006 8:44:44 AM PDT
by
Pokey78
(‘FREE [INSERT YOUR FETID TOTALITARIAN BASKET-CASE HERE]’)
To: Miss Marple; You Dirty Rats
Geneva was not part of Switzerland until 1815.
49
posted on
07/18/2006 8:45:41 AM PDT
by
Cheburashka
(World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
To: p. henry
When Einstein heard of Fermi's chain reaction, he said "now everything has changed except man himself." While civilization may have reduced our tendency to commit mayhem, it has also vastly increased our capacity to pursue it if we choose to do so. Actually IMO nuclear weapons have done more to promote peace than anything in human history (including Christianity).
Look at history. Until the advent of nuclear weapons what two rivals such as The US and USSR would have remained at peace with each other for the time encompassing the end of WWII and the collapse of the USSR.
Mutual Assured Destruction worked and continues to work.
50
posted on
07/18/2006 8:47:21 AM PDT
by
Pontiac
(All are worthy of freedom, none are incapable.)
To: Cheburashka
So, he was French after all?
51
posted on
07/18/2006 8:48:14 AM PDT
by
Miss Marple
(Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
To: Miss Marple
Geneva was an independent city-state, so he was a Genevan.
52
posted on
07/18/2006 8:53:05 AM PDT
by
Cheburashka
(World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
To: Poincare
The Aztecs ate the "sacrifice" victims because they needed protein.They may have wanted or even craved meat, but they didn't "need" it because they were suffering from protein deficiency.
They had corn and beans which together make an excellent complete protein. Human meat was an elite monopoly, used more as a status symbol than anything else.
Many millions of people have gone their entire lives without eating meat. It isn't needed. (Although I like it a lot.)
53
posted on
07/18/2006 8:53:36 AM PDT
by
Restorer
To: Restorer
The difference between Rome and now is that not only did the Romans refuse to receive Hannibal's peace envoys when he had destroyed the largest army they'd ever fielded; the Senate forbade the families of those taken captive from ransoming them. Plus, there were no Murthas, Pelosis, Kerrys, etc, calling for retreat, negotiation,or surrender. The lack of a NEW YORK TIMES, and MSM probably helped, too.
54
posted on
07/18/2006 8:54:20 AM PDT
by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
To: Cicero
The same thought entered my mind as soon as I read the piece. I was surprised that Steyn didn't include the quote from Hobbes. It would have made a perfect ending.
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posted on
07/18/2006 8:54:48 AM PDT
by
kabar
To: sima_yi
If I recall correctly, the Iroquois exterminated [absorbing the few survivors] the Erie Indians - so the Iroquois could control the fur trade with the whites. Kumbay - frickin' - ya.
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posted on
07/18/2006 8:56:54 AM PDT
by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
To: xzins
I understand that these traditions were totally rejected by one noble warrior who came on the scene and was disgusted by this behavior....a guy named Tecumseh. Who in the end is more respected by the non Indians than he was by the Indians.
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posted on
07/18/2006 8:57:51 AM PDT
by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: orionblamblam
You simply couldn't escape the victor. Especially when, as at Cannae, the loser managed to get himself surrounded, on an open plain, by an army about half his numbers. Quite a feat, that.
A great many men usually escaped from ancient battles, since the losers would usually divest themselves of their arms and armor, making them much faster than the victors. A guy toting 30 to 50 pounds just can't catch a guy who isn't.
Thus the importance of cavalry in killing as many of the runners as possible.
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posted on
07/18/2006 8:59:04 AM PDT
by
Restorer
To: Cheburashka
True. Prior to that it was an independent city-state, but Protestant, not Catholic, and generally in opposition to France.
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posted on
07/18/2006 9:00:18 AM PDT
by
Restorer
To: Restorer
Apparently, after many centuries living in indefensible pueblos on the mesa tops,
A pueblo on a mesa top is indefensible only to air attacks. Being on top of a mesa was a means of defense.
60
posted on
07/18/2006 9:04:00 AM PDT
by
aruanan
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