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Mark Steyn: Before the white man came? War
Macleans ^ | 07/18/06 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 07/18/2006 7:45:03 AM PDT by Pokey78

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To: harmodius

The idea of "the noble savage" came from the French philosopher Jean Jacques Rousseau. Yet ANOTHER half-baked idea we can blame on the French!


21 posted on 07/18/2006 8:14:40 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Miss Marple

Rousseau was actually Swiss. He was born in Geneva.


22 posted on 07/18/2006 8:18:09 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: Pokey78
... but evidently decapitation isn't just for jihadists anymore: if you want to get ahead, get a head.

Snicker...

23 posted on 07/18/2006 8:18:16 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Stallone
Sleeping with the enemy BUMP:

Which Side is the New York Times On?

24 posted on 07/18/2006 8:19:16 AM PDT by weegee (Seasons greetings and happy holidays this June-July!)
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To: NCSteve
His killers kept his genitals for themselves, under the belief that if you eat a man's penis you acquire his powers. One swallow doesn't make a summer, of course,...

O, NE ZOT! This is just too much, before lunch and everything!

25 posted on 07/18/2006 8:19:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Whiskey for my men, hyperbolic rodomontade for my horses.)
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To: p. henry

Yup.

Although we generally discount the efficiency of "primitive" weapons.

The huge death toll in Rwanda was achieved almost entirely with sticks and knives.

The Romans, at Cannae, lost 50,000 killed out of 80,000 men in a few hours. That is a much higher death rate than any of our bloody Civil War battles. Such losses were not uncommon in ancient warfare.

The Taiping Rebellion of the middle 19th century against the Manchus was fought mostly with relatively primitive weapons. It is estimated that 50M people died.

Primitive weapons are ineffective when pitted against modern weapons. They can be highly efficient at slaughter when pitted against other primitive weapons or the unarmed. All you need is soldiers willing to keep killing.

And somebody to sharpen your blade every few hours.


26 posted on 07/18/2006 8:20:00 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: You Dirty Rats

Really? Well, this is the first I have heard of it.


27 posted on 07/18/2006 8:20:13 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: sima_yi

Perhapsyou should sue the Iroquois for reparations? ;)


28 posted on 07/18/2006 8:20:59 AM PDT by Killborn (Pres. Bush isn't Pres. Reagan. Then again, Pres. Regan isn't Pres. Washington. God bless them all.)
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To: Pokey78
Take the Aztec/Mayan/Incan civilizations for example. They were some of the most bloodthirsty known in history. They killed for the sheer activity of it ... something to do besides make weird calendars and build pyramids. In fact, the pyramids were sacrificial altars where the blood of their victims ran in rivulets down the stone sides!

But we're supposed to believe that they were bucolic, pastoral people with an advanced civilization utterly destroyed by the evil Spaniards, who then tortured them into Catholicism even as they plundered their palaces.

History in the last 30 years has been the study of revisionist claptrap, not fact.

29 posted on 07/18/2006 8:21:26 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Pokey78
The large number of copper and bronze axes found in Late Neolithic and Bronze Age burials were held to be not battle axes but a form of money."

Liberals are such effing idiots.

30 posted on 07/18/2006 8:26:02 AM PDT by dead
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To: All

For any Freeper's interested, there was a quite prescient volume written on this subject qquite some time ago: "A History of Warfare", By John Keegan.

I heartily recommend it to anyone interested in the methods and motivations of ancient warfare. Without the political correctness.

It has the added bonus of turning Clauswitz on his head.

Just a suggesstion.
Wombat101


31 posted on 07/18/2006 8:26:39 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: IronJack

You really can't talk about these civilizations as a group. The Maya and Aztecs had some contact and continuity, but they were as different as Chinese and Arabs in many ways.

The Incas were so isolated they weren't even aware of the civilizations of Mesoamerica to their north. They were also generally not as bloodthirsty, although they also practiced human sacrifice, if on a much smaller scale.

Historians today are generally agreed that the collapse of these civilizations was caused by the merging of the Old and New World disease ecosystems. The Spanish had the luck of walking into societies that were disintegrating anyway.

It is estimated that 90 to 95% of the population of the Americas died by 1600 as a result of Eurasian and African diseases.


32 posted on 07/18/2006 8:26:52 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: Pokey78
...he native will be a dignified man of peace in perfect harmony with his environment in whose tribal language there is not even a word for "war" or "killing" or "weapons of mass destruction."

How about a word for "mass extinction of large mammals"? The invading (across the Bering) prehistorics, aka "natives", exterminated about 80 percent of the species of large mammals on America's left coast. After the animal meat supply understandably dwindled human canabalism became the protein source of choice.

33 posted on 07/18/2006 8:26:55 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: Allan

bump


34 posted on 07/18/2006 8:27:02 AM PDT by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: Pokey78

Steyn had better watch it because amongst the "respectable" conservatives there still is this superstition that the Left is moral.


35 posted on 07/18/2006 8:27:02 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: Pokey78

BTTT!


36 posted on 07/18/2006 8:28:09 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Pokey78

The origin of the State is twined with that of death-cults.

It could be argued that the State as we know it is the mere reification of blood-lust.


37 posted on 07/18/2006 8:29:34 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: Tax-chick
One swallow doesn't make a summer, of course...

I almost fell out of my chair when I read that. Leave it to Steyn...

38 posted on 07/18/2006 8:30:02 AM PDT by NCSteve
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To: NCSteve
Leave it to Steyn... to gross us out, just in passing, no doubt while snickering in his silly little beard.
39 posted on 07/18/2006 8:31:10 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Whiskey for my men, hyperbolic rodomontade for my horses.)
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To: Restorer
My remarks dealt mostly with the Aztecs. I should probably have confined my characterizations to them.

But you make a good point. Overt violence and suppression of the natives by European explorers wasn't really the major cause of death among those peoples. They were exposed to diseases for which they had acquired no natural immunities, and they were decimated by the resultant plagues.

In the case of the Aztecs, their culture had stagnated anyway to a large extent. They re-energized their warrior culture by arranging mock raids on nearby tribes to "capture" their young men and sacrifice them.

And people thought Roman decadence was bloody ...

40 posted on 07/18/2006 8:31:55 AM PDT by IronJack
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