[Mr. Silverback]

We don’t mean to discourage you from reading the rest of this book. But in the interest of full disclosure, we should tell you that, in a sense, there is only one good reason to believe that God exists: because it’s true.” That statement is both profound and well expressed.

Um...no, it isn't profound. It's the intellectual equivalent of "Because I say so." I hope the logic in the rest of the book is better than that.

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[Mr. Silverback]

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[MineralMan]

Apologetics do not constitute evidence, I'm afraid.

Personally, I think it is a mistake for folks to try to concoct evidence of the existence of deities. The very nature of a supernatural entity means that there is no physical evidence of it.

Faith, alone, is sufficient for most people to believe in whatever deity is the most popular where they are. Most people don't need physical evidence of that deity's existence.

However, some authors just have to take a stab at it. Generally their logic fails miserably and their evidence is nothing more than a chain of circular references.

I'll be buying a copy of this latest attempt to prove the existence of a deity. I've already read so many of them that one more won't be too trying.

[AmericaUnited]

20 Compelling Evidences that God Exists

And reason #1 being:.... Every time an atheist's car lurches over a cliff, they yell out, "GOD HELP ME!" :)

[brooklyn dave]

Without getting into any metaphysical rants, of course God exists. Why has humankind always had some kind of belief in a power greater than themselves---even if it were animistic or shamanistic. I was reading some thing about other animal (dolphins, I believe) having some sense of individuality and being able to recognize other dolphins as individuals. But I don't think any scientist has come up with any kind of proof about the Great Dolphin in the Heavenly Ocean that Flipper and his friends worship. Man is unique in this respect. As must as atheistic Marxism wants to expound on "religion being the opiate of the people"---and unfortunately religion can turn into an opium if your not psychologically sound--the facts is that mankind cannot live in such a spiritual void. Therefore, the state became God (along with its cult worship of folks like Stalin, Mao Castro etc.)

[Capt. Tom]

They start with evidence about the universe and the origins of life. And they talk, for example, about how finely our solar system and our planet had to be calibrated to support life. At “an extremely conservative estimate,” they say, the probability of our planet being capable of sustaining us is about one in a billion.

Maybe the system wasn't created by a God; it always existed, and therefore never had a beginning.

That is pretty hard to comprehend. Amazingly having a belief in a God that always existed and never had a beginning is easier to comprehend for most people. - tom

[Leroy S. Mort]

They start with evidence about the universe and the origins of life. And they talk, for example, about how finely our solar system and our planet had to be calibrated to support life. At “an extremely conservative estimate,” they say, the probability of our planet being capable of sustaining us is about one in a billion. It had to be at just the right place in the solar system, which had to be at just the right place in the galaxy. Even the expansion of the universe had to happen at just the right rate in order for all of us to be here today.

Not a compelling argument for a divine creation given that there are quite probably trillions of planets in the universe.

[sandbar]

I know I'll have all the uber-intellegent rant on me for this...

My husband and I LOVE the science channel. We love anything to do with the planet, science, how things work, etc...

Last night they had a program on a homonid. I can't explain it, but it just didn't 'feel' right to me! A giraffe was still a giraffe (maybe slightly changed, but a giraffe nonetheless) 6 million years ago, but we (humans) have jumped species? I just don't get that? Why?

Why are humans different that we changed completely, while other animals, every other animal on earth for that matter, remained just that. An animal?

Now I don't think God said "poof" and there was the ocean, etc... And I do believe the earth is REAAAAALLLLLLLLYYYYYY old. Older than the Bible predicts, but were we monkeys?

Can someone smarter than me help?

[zeugma]

Absolute proof that not only does G-d exist, but he loves you and wants you to be happy:

1. Chocolate
2. Coffee
3. Beer

Z

[DaveyB]

Oh yes the old "we can in our wisdom prove God" ploy.

Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. --- St.Paul writing for God

[Raycpa]

Romans 1

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

[mikeus_maximus]

"We don’t mean to discourage you from reading the rest of this book. But in the interest of full disclosure, we should tell you that, in a sense, there is only one good reason to believe that God exists: because it’s true.” That statement is both profound and well expressed.

Um...no, it isn't profound. It's the intellectual equivalent of "Because I say so." I hope the logic in the rest of the book is better than that.

"Because I said so" is meant to stop further inquiry or investigation. "Because it's true" is a summation of information that follows.

[antiRepublicrat]

nd they talk, for example, about how finely our solar system and our planet had to be calibrated to support life.

Creationists must fare the worst in Las Vegas because they don't know anything about odds.

They always bet on life as we know it evolving. They forget that we are just one of many options, and the bet should properly be about any kind of life evolving. I am always amazed at the hubris, to think that we are the one and only, the desired result that the odds must be created for.

[hosepipe]

If proof were important then why faith?...

The only animal that can have faith or needs faith is one primate..
I remember when I used to be a primate back before I was born again..
Even then God was a question I accepted or rejected by faith..

Faith is an expressly human trait.. and its true those that have faith in nothing will/can beleive anything.. Consider Tom Cruise..

[tutstar]

ping...

[uglybiker]

Evidence that God has a sense of humor.

[Boiler Plate]

BTT

[muir_redwoods]

There is no proof that G-d exists. If there were, faith would have no value

[little jeremiah]

ping to wag and ping to self for later reading.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Uh-oh. This is going to scare those FReepers stuck in the eighteenth century "enlightenment" (they're afraid Theists are going to scare away votes from atheist liberals and cost them their tax cuts).

[stands2reason]

Is it because I'm a gnostic that I'm not impressed? Yes.