Congressional adviser increases volume on warning: Terrorists from Balkans could reach into Europe

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 9/13/06 | WorldNetDaily.com

[Hoplite]

Go ahead and tell me where this cell was HQ'd out of, and what percentage of the membership was Bosnian.

It'll be a fun little "Did she read the article she's posting" exercise.

[joan]

"Go ahead and tell me where this cell was HQ'd out of, and what percentage of the membership was Bosnian."

Serbs are 0% of these terrorist groups. Serbs have not been caught smuggling explosives into western Europe in cookie tins nor planning attacks. Bosnian Muslims - including the former soldier named in the article - have.

[Hoplite]

Serbs are 0% of these terrorist groups. Serbs have not been caught smuggling explosives into western Europe in cookie tins nor planning attacks. Bosnian Muslims - including the former soldier named in the article - have.

True.

But hardly relevant to a summarization of Bosnia's relative importance in the Al Qaeda cell discussed in the article.

Try again.

[FormerLib]

Ha ha ha! The truth keeps pouring out about your beloved Bosnian jihadists and it just eats you up, eh?

Don't worry, they'll keep you in kneepads but you'd better forget about any new dentures.

[Banat]

The majority of Bosnian Muslims grew up in a society that was, essentially, Western-oriented (which Yugoslavia was, despite Communism). The majority of them do not support Al-Qaida. But you only need a handful of religious fanatics and you've got a huge problem on your hands. Such fanatics exist in large numbers over there (both local and foreign). Many have been recruited by Al-Qaida and some of them are bound to kill innocent people across Europe and the USA. It's not a question of IF but WHEN they're gonna do it.

Keep ignoring the red flags, Hoplite.

[Hoplite]

Many have been recruited by Al-Qaida and some of them are bound to kill innocent people across Europe and the USA.

Quantify "Many" for me.

We're not ignoring any real red flags, Banat, as demonstrated by the arrest by Bosnian authorities of Bektasevic and his cohorts.

We are, however, based upon recent experience, inclined to view as false the red flags which you and your friends are waving, since they've turned out to be more about pushing a Serbocentric agenda (everybody else bad, ergo we good, so cut us some slack for what we did under Milosevic) rather than one concerned with actual anti-terrorism.

[Banat]

What's wrong with killing two birds with one stone? If Serbia can forewarn the West and prevent needless carnage and death AND advance its interests by/while doing so - what seems to be the problem?

The problem is the rampant Serbophobia that oozes out of some influential circles in the West where everything that comes out of Serbia is treated with suspicion. Fine. See if Belgrade cares. After all, first and foremost, Belgrade's duty is the security of Serbian citizens and the BIA, DJB and others know how to deal with terrorism.

[ma bell]

obviously, you havent gone to davidivici or set foot in BiH ever. Here's your chance, then you can be shown those "cells" you dismiss as 'Football Clubs".

[Hoplite]

What's wrong with killing two birds with one stone?

If they're not the right birds, and we waste time and resources on them?

Duh.

As soon as the Serbs start acting in an honest manner, we'll start treating them like honest partners. As things stand right now, with Serbian politicians misrepresenting everybody else's position on Kosovo to their electorate and their craven unwillingness to come to grips with Milosevic's criminal legacy as embodied by Ratko Mladic, the time for treating Serbia as an equal still hasn't arrived.

Call it Serbophobia if it makes you feel better, but it's simply a case of our treating Belgrade in a manner consistent with its behavior.

[Banat]

They're not "misrepresenting" it, and the electorate in Serbia weren't born yesterday, either. I can't believe you actually wrote this.

Belgrade's position is that it won't ever accept an independent Kosovo, and that's pretty much the attitude of the vast majority of the electorate. So, Belgrade is representing the views of the majority of the nation - not telling the voters what stance to take.

The West can do whatever they want, but can't possibly expect Belgrade's signature on the dotted line.

As for Miloshevich - he's dead, and so is his regime. Mladich is God knows where. It's ridiculous to accuse Belgrade of protecting him after having sent the entire military-political leadership of Yugoslavia/Serbia -- including Miloshevich -- to the Hague.

There is no serious evidence that Belgrade knows where Mladich is.

[Hoplite]

They're not "misrepresenting" it, and the electorate in Serbia weren't born yesterday, either.

Show me Serbian politicians who've been honest and come out and stated that Kosovo is for all intents and purposes lost to Serbia.

Here, I'll help you. That's one.

Belgrade's position is that it won't ever accept an independent Kosovo, and that's pretty much the attitude of the vast majority of the electorate.

Then Belgrade can deal with an independent Kosovo however it sees fit - denial up to independence and then kicking and screaming appears to be the plan if folks around here are any indication. Oughta work out just great.

It's ridiculous to accuse Belgrade of protecting him after having sent the entire military-political leadership of Yugoslavia/Serbia -- including Miloshevich -- to the Hague.

Excuse me? Taking individuals into custody and then extraditing them isn't the same thing as providing incentives for indictees to "take one for the team". The Serbian government at this time is reduced to negotiating with and bribing indictees to travel voluntarily to the Hague, and if they don't want to go, then they don't go.

Consider the cases of Pavkovic, Lazarevic, Djordjevic, and Lukic, all indicted in October of 2003. As soon as they were indicted, the Serbian government was obligated to arrest them and extradite them to the Hague.

Did this happen with any of them? Of course not. The men remained free until 3 of them were persuaded to turn themselves in to the Hague in 2005, while Djordjevic high-tailed it out of the country, and has been reported living as a fugitive in Russia.

So, again, Serbia's past actions are being used to judge it today - if Mladic continues to screw Serbia by flipping Belgrade the bird and not going to the Hague, then so be it. It's Belgrade's responsibility, and Belgrade will continue to be held accountable for the failure.

[tgambill]

hey...i'm leaving Africa on to another troubled area in the next month...I'll keep you informed.....

Would love to meet hoppie for a beer or cappachino....

Seriously, let's meet up when you finally get back to the U.S....assuming I'm there as well. I'm trying to get to Afghan or Iraq....so, we shall see....

[tgambill]

'As soon as the Serbs start acting in an honest manner, we'll start treating them like honest partners."

Honest manner??? Our administration since early 90's has not been honest about the Balkans, certainly about Kosovo..the UN is as corrupt as the Albanian Mafia...oh my, they work with the Albania Mafia...go figure. honest?? You got to be kidding.....We have lied our way from Bosnia to Kosovo and planning more. Especially if we are thinking about "instigating" an incident in Mitrovica to provoke the Albanians....hmmmmmmmm???

[montyspython]

I would dare say that Hoplite has yet to reciprocate his own honesty in regards to the Balkans, he still clings on to his GI Joe antics during the riots as his claim to credibility, the "insider wannabe".

[montyspython]

He claims he was there int he 80's, long way from BiH of the 21st Century Toto.

[ma bell]

does that mean i can claim i've been to Vietnam when I was flying in Japanese airspace too? He considers flying to REFORGER and landing in Ireland to Germany as being in Yugoslavia..shared airspace.

[montyspython]

LOL!!! Since he and mark share the same brain cell, I can see your logic.

[eleni121]

Those like you who preach independence for Kosovo are atavistic holdovers from the Bolshevik era. They like the other fool you refer to seem to have morphed into Soros boys.

Get it through your royal thickness: forcing ethnically based autonomous states is a failed concept. They may be useful tools for Soros style financial exploitation and other criminal enterprise but nothing else good can come of them.

[Hoplite]

forcing ethnically based autonomous states is a failed concept

---

Tadic says answer for Kosovo in not independence but"maximum autonomy".

---

Serbian government has decided that the constitution will include a section dedicated to Kosovo, defining it as a part of Serbia’s territory. The adopted preamble states that Kosovo is a part of Serbia and has essential autonomy within the framework of the sovereign state of Serbia.

---

Right.

Which is why we're going to eschew this pointless "anything but independence" nonsense proposed by the Serbs and settle the matter as soon as possible.

"Soon the frontier will be down,
and they will bow
to their new emperor!"

("This mike isn't on, is it?")

[eleni121]

Hoppie and Shakheefs: stooges of the Fourth Reich