Impact of Luby's gunman still felt

Killeen Daily Herald ^ | Sep. 17, 2006 | Kristine Favreau

[2Am4Sure]

Blood will run in the streets any day now.

[Tuscaloosa Goldfinch]

Last January, we were in Wyoming on one of those snow coach things going into Yellowstone. Our driver was telling about an incident at McDonalds in a small town there. Someone came in holding a drawn weapon for the purposes of holding up the McDonalds cashiers. Our driver laughed and said, "This is Wyoming -- a bunch of the patrons pulled THEIR weapons." End of robbery attempt.

[Joe Boucher]

I always cite this incident when I argue for concealed permits.
In many places it is still ok to wear sidearms as long as they are in plain view. This is the way it should be which would cause a downturn in many crime stats.

[billorites]

"In many places it is still ok to wear sidearms as long as they are in plain view"

That's the law in NH. A permit is only required for the purpose of carrying it concealed or loaded in a vehicle.

On the other hand, I've never carried a handgun other than concealed. I don't want anybody to know I have a weapon on my person or in my bag.

[Joe Boucher]

Yeah but if a majority of real men wore the in plain view it sure would make punks and robbers think at least twice.

[MaDeuce]

"That's the law in NH. A permit is only required for the purpose of carrying it concealed or loaded in a vehicle."

Billorites ... don't forget you can also carry concealed if the gun and ammo is separate in NH without a permit. I.e gun in one pocket and mag in the other.

[billorites]

Yeah, you're correct. I just checked RSA 159 and it clearly references loaded pistol or revolver.

It's so easy to get a permit in NH.

[goldstategop]

Suzanna Gratia-Hupp was angry over a law that prevented her from saving her family from a madman. That's the reason she ran for the Texas Legislature to get it changed. People will tell you different things about Luby, but it was a cold-blooded massacre by a psychopath bent on slaughtering every one. It is cold comfort he didn't completely succeed in his objective that day.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[Jed Eckert]

"Applicants also must be up to date on all student loans, must not owe back child support or taxes and must not have a Class A or Class B misdemeanor"

This part is a bit troubling. Sounds like if you're behind on making student loan payments or owe back taxes you're going to be deprived of your rights and can't get a permit.

And what exactly are Class A & B misdemeanors?

[Shooter 2.5]

We have to be squeaky clean to get a Texas CCW. My only concern is the cost. I have to bay about 70 dollars for a renewal and I think that is entirely too much for a plastic card.

Most states are just looking for the added revenue a CCW generates.

[Shooter 2.5]

You're at a serious disadvantage when an unconcealed gun says, "Shot me first". The same thing with photographer's vests. I can spot the newbies who just acquired their licenses.

I don't want them to think twice. I want them to be completely unaware when they do something stupid like commit a crime in Texas.

[DMedic91B]

The actual disqualifier is not 'being behind' on student loans but rather being in full default of taxes, governmental fees, student loans or child support.

In Texas a Class A misdemeanor is punishable by up to one year in a county jail and/or a fine up to $4000. Examples of these offenses are assault causing bodily harm, violating a protective order, criminal tresspass, DWI with a prior conviction, theft of $500 or more, burglary of a vehicle, etc.

Again, in Texas, a Class B misdemeanor is punishable by up to 180 days in a county jail and/or a fine of up to $2000. Examples of these would be indecent exposure, disorderly conduct, first time DWI, making terroristic threats, theft of $50 or more.

[Vinnie]

Last January, we were in Wyoming on one of those snow coach things going into Yellowstone.

Of course no one was armed on that trip as it's illegal to carry in a National Park.

[TYVets]

I want them to be completely unaware,,,

It might have stopped or reduced the number of people hurt in:

Gunman Wounds 20 at Montreal College

[OldSmaj]

Of course no one was armed on that trip as it's illegal to carry in a National Park.

I don't recall ever being in a National Park and not being armed.

Of course, that's just me.

I'm one of those radicals that believe fully in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and I've yet to find anything that says it is null and void simply because the land is owned by the US Government.

Which, by the way, according to that same US Constitution and Bill of Rights, is supposed to answer to me.

I don't flaunt it, but I will not surrender my rights simply because of where I happen to be at the time.

I can understand some degree of "control" on our land, but only as it relates to protection of animals from poachers.

An ottherwise law-abiding citizen should be able to exercise his/her 2nd Amendment rights at all times, most particularly on his/her own land.

And the National Parks belong to me, and to you, and to you, too.

If you're a citizen.

[Feckless]

"As a direct result of the Oct. 16, 1991, Luby's incident, in 1995, Texas lawmakers...passed a law that allowed Texans to obtain a concealed-carry handgun permit."

No mention that they had passed it before, only to have it vetoed by the latest Socialist scumbag to assume room temp.

[Copernicus]

Concerns were raised that the new concealed handgun law would create more problems than it would solve

It has created more problems than it solved. Sovereign Citizens have ceded their 2nd Amendment rights to government bureaucracies who will slowly burden the "right" with more and more restrictions over time.

Have you paid all your parking tickets? No CCW for you! (Soup Nazi Voiceover)

Best regards,

[Joe Boucher]

Good thoughts

[RikaStrom]

Ping

(Still needing to get my CC)

It's on the list.

[ASOC]

Illegl to carry a loaded weapon. As noted before, magazine in one pocket.....