By a Whisker

msnbc ^ | 11/09/06 | Arian Campo-Flores

[madprof98]

Nov. 9, 2006 - Until recently Lisa Greening didn’t know a stem cell from a jail cell. But earlier this year, the bookstore owner from University City, Mo., spotted a new hardback by her former U.S. senator, John Danforth, titled “Faith and Politics” in which he bemoans the influence of evangelical Christians on the GOP and the country. Greening, 36, went on to see Danforth speak and emerged incensed by what she considered the religious right’s distortions on the issue of embryonic stem-cell research. “The extreme right is going around scaring people that [scientists] are going to steal women’s embryos,” she says. “That’s preposterous.” So on Tuesday, she endured a tedious, two-hour line at her local polling station for two reasons: to cast a ballot for the Democratic Senate candidate Claire McCaskill, who supports stem-cell research, and to vote in favor of a proposed amendment to the state constitution that would protect such research.

[snip]

Though the stem-cell fight was as much a squeaker as the Senate race, the divide between McCaskill and Talent supporters didn’t coincide exactly with the one among amendment supporters and opponents. The stem-cell issue created fissures among both Democrats and Republicans. The former, for instance, split between liberal pro-choicers and Catholic pro-lifers, while the latter broke between social conservatives and business-oriented conservatives who see economic potential in cutting-edge research. According to turnout figures, many counties outside Missouri’s urban centers showed slightly more support for the stem-cell amendment than for McCaskill. Which for Rubin signals “that there’s still a bipartisan aspect to stem cell research.” Missouri Right to Life’s Patty Skain, however, argues that the more voters become educated about such research, the more they’ll resist it.

[madprof98]

Despite the obvious pro-secularists hype, this is a useful analysis. It (indirectly) credits Rush Limbaugh with educating the MO public on the controversy. It seems to be saying that faithful Catholics stuck with Church teachings on this one, though I understand the new Senator-elect is also a nominal Catholic.

[My2Cents]

“The extreme right is going around scaring people that [scientists] are going to steal women’s embryos,” she says.

That's not what anyone on the pro-life side has said, you ignorant moron (the woman, not you, madprof).

[Bahbah]

So on Tuesday, she endured a tedious, two-hour line

I found this interesting. University City is 10 minutes away and VERY liberal. In my little suburb, very conservative, it took 10 minutes to vote, only 5 of it waiting for the next machine available and our turnout was as heavy as 04 when I didn't have to wait either. And I would love to know how many students voted in U City and by absentee in their home states.

[Eagle of Liberty]

It seems to be saying that faithful Catholics stuck with Church teachings on this one, though I understand the new Senator-elect is also a nominal Catholic.

But, if people actually look into the research, other forms of stem cells have already run circles around embryonic. The Dems want to use this as another scare tactic issue, but if you look at the data, you wouldn't waste the money on such an ethically-dividing source of stem cells. The Dems are incapable of having an intelligent debate.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Interesting title on this article.

A "Whisker" is eighteenth century slang for a lie.

[Darkwolf377]

“The extreme right is going around scaring people that [scientists] are going to steal women’s embryos,” she says

This is news to me. If only we had journalists who would treat every supposed fact they hear in the course of writing a story equally. Every word out of a Republican's mouth is examined in microscopic detail; someone like this is allowed to say such a lie in the name of letting her speak, and thus the lie is perpetuated and the journalist can say "I didn't necessarily agree, it was just her opinion."

And now thousands will be saying "The right wing claims..." And thus another political urban myth is born.

[VOA]

“The extreme right is going around scaring people that [scientists] are
going to steal women’s embryos,” she says.

What a pile.
It was very clear that one of the great contentions of the anti-Amendment 2
folks was that women would be paid "valuable consideration" (due to the
little loophole buried in the text) and could thus be exploited, e.g.,
coerced by boyfriends/husbands to produce eggs for pay.

(more likely, they'd just get rich).

Oh well, we did find out that $30 million of ads and lies will
buy you a state amendment in Missouri.

[fat city]

Morality aside, I think Talent should have accused the Dems of being in the pocket of "Big Biotech" - who want only to get their hands on government funding (your tax dollars) just as they are in the pocket of Trial Lawyers who have put the kibosh on any meaningful tort reform. Maybe lib women who will readily part with their embryos will think twice about funding "big business".

[Freee-dame]

if people actually look into the research, other forms of stem cells have already run circles around embryonic.

Not educating the public about this is a failing of the Republican party. They cannot wait for MSM newspapers or TV to actually explain the facts. The MSM is in the propaganda business these days. Two years from now when ESC research still has zero treatments and nonESC treatments are even greater than they are today, perhaps we will do a better job. Right now most people have no idea of the facts.

[MHGinTN]

Lisa Greening is a prime example of someone too stupid to actually seek information on the issue, swallowing the democrat lies and media lies, showing her stupidity with inane comments, and voting the way she's directed to vote. The best democrat profile possible and one that will eventually murder more than just unborn children and embryo aged humans. Lisa Greening is the ignorant face of what supports and uphold democrats. And she is probably proud of her stupidity, she certainly sounds like it.

[MHGinTN]

"Maybe lib women who will readily part with their embryos will think twice about funding "big business"." To which 'embryos' do you refer? Are you trying to address the harvesting of ova to conceive embryos in vitro, or are you referring to in vitro embryos sent to research rpograms?

[MHGinTN]

Missouri voters embraced clone and kill ... their neighbors in Kansas embraced the serialized partial birth murder of alive unborn children. What's in the water out there?

[GovernmentShrinker]

Opponents of embryonic stem cell research simply ignore advances in that field, and then proceed to claim that there aren't any.

Japanese researchers create artificial liver from [embryonic] stem cells
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/nov/10/japanese_researchers_create_artificial_liver_stem_/

[fat city]

Hehe- sorry, I misspoke- It's been many years since I studied ontogeny- lib women abort their unwanted in vivo embryos. But I think the demand for ova for in vitro fertilization will become an industry unto itself with the first hint at success going beyond fertilization clinics and university research (already a cash-cow).

[TheSarce]

Danforth ping.

[MHGinTN]

No worries.

What most do not realize in the embryonic stem cell debate is the codicil of cloning that will be ushered in with the embrace of cannibalizing embryo-aged humans. Embryos are already differentiating their cells to form the placental encapsulation and the inner cell mass for building the body for life in the air world. This and their genetic imprint makes embryos growing human beings, albeit very young human beings. Harvesting and killing them for their body parts (their stem cells) is cannibalism.

But the American people have gradually been herded into accepting the evil through tolerance of the abortion slaughter of tens-of-millions of alive unborn human children and the dehumanizing process called in vitro fertilization, which makes commodities out of embryo-aged humans and which humans are now in the sights of the embryo stem cell researchers and defended by such posters as Government Shrinker. To these people, the embryo-aged humans are tissue commodities, not humans at their earliest age.

Ignorance of the facts is the best ally of the dead-souled promoters of cannibalizing embryos. If you would like more on stem cells, in layman's terms, HERE'S a link to a free manuscript for downloading that explaines in simple language what are stem cells, the methods of harvesting stem cells from our bodies and from embryo-aged humans, cloning, and the current research goals of clone and kill 'therapeutic cloning'.

[madprof98]

What's in the water out there?

I think we were deceived by the notion that we had elected a "pro-life" Congress and "pro-life" legislatures and therefore we were entering a "pro-life" era in the USA. Obviously, the Culture of Death is alive and well in Red America, including the heartland of Kansas and Missouri. These were the places, after all, that have now made San Francisco Values into American Values. That is the country we live in. It was no doubt the same country we lived in when the GOP took control a few years back, only we just didn't realize it.

[Figment]

A "Whisker" is eighteenth century slang for a lie.



Thanks for that tidbit. I'll be using it in the future

[Figment]

Let Michael Fox be the first human guinea pig for embryonic stem cell treatment. My guess is, those brain tumors will make him forget all about parkinsons

[swmobuffalo]

Danforth is a sellout regarding the Gospel and the woman in the article is still seriously misled.