Posted on 11/26/2006 11:57:04 PM PST by MadIvan
Hillary must be denied power: that is the priority for 2008.
Regards, Ivan
Ping!
The priority is getting true conservatives elected, so we don't face another debacle like this last one. Rudy will never be elected president.
If getting a "true conservative" in is more important to you than that, well, you can't be helped.
Ivan
One correction:
"They included "Pioneers", who donated more than $100,000 to Bush campaigns, and "Rangers" who gave at least $200,000."
They did not "donate" such amounts, but took responsibility for raising those big fat goals. Kind of an Amway approach to fundraising.
Ah, yes, that would be the "short term at all costs" brand of integrity.
I would probably vote for Sam Brownback if I got the chance (living in Texas, the nomination is pretty much decided b/f our primary), but I wouldn't call the desire to win a problem of integrity. Most people would rather get 70% than 0.
These are the same folks who helped Bill get elected in '92.
If you want to throw a tantrum, hold your breath until you turn blue until you get completely what you want, that's your problem, not mine. It indicates a lack of maturity that you cannot accept you're not always going to get what exactly you want.
However, it's fine to be so childish during the primaries. But if Rudy wins, I hope you'll have the sense and maturity to ensure Hillary doesn't get into the White House. If you sit on your hands in November 2008, I'm going to blame people like you (among others) for the disaster that follows.
Ivan
I guess that you will REALLY enjoy a Hillary presidency; just as you LOVED 8 long, weary years of Bill's.
Rudy may be more Liberal that Hillary.
Regards, Ivan
You are absolutely correct, Sir. As one of our prominent biblers said, even Lucifer is preferable to hillary. And Giuliani is no Lucifer.
Oh? Prove it. Furthermore, try and prove that Rudy is more venal, nasty and just plain evil than Hillary.
Ivan
She has to be denied power.
Regards, Ivan
Some conservatives can give Giuliani a pass on his pro-abortion stance. Some can pass on pro gun control stance. Some can pass on pro homosexual anti morality stance .
None will give him a pass on all three.
yitbos
On abortion, hillary and Rudy are in agreement.
Same for Gun Grabbing.
Gay marriage, Rudy supports that.
I do not think Hillary has said anything in support of Gays getting married.
You're not presenting a solution. You're just saying unless you get your definition of a "true conservative", you're going to sit on your hands. That's not a solution, that's a recipe for surrender. It's not being conservative, it's being a whingeing brat.
..but even were I to accept your "compromise is a virtue" brand of realpolitick, you're going to have to remember something, Rudy will never sell the "I'm a born again Christian routine" to Pat and Jim and D. James.
Who said he would?
Even a crass pragmatist could come up with someone better than Rudy.
Name 2 candidates who are better positioned, then.
Ivan
She [and her bitter half] is a behavioral commie. By that I do not mean that they are waving red banners or spouting marxist garbage, or are card-carrying members of a communist organization. But they walk through life as commie nomenclaturists [were they to speak russian, the impression would be complete] - "Rules are for thee, but not for me - I'm from the master race."
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