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James Kim, missing in Oregon, found [dead].
CNN Headline News | 12-6-2006

Posted on 12/06/2006 12:25:00 PM PST by Cagey

Just heard on CNN Headline News he was found. Rescue personal saw flashing object and found him. No word of his condition.


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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; Sir Gawain

LOL...you may not agree with Sir Gawain but I am sure even you'll accept that he has far more experience with posters and poster behavior on FR than either of us (and specifically, you).


341 posted on 12/06/2006 3:18:39 PM PST by indcons (indcons - an enemy of islam)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nwzchik/detail?blogid=32&entry_id=11544#comments

You should see some of these comments!


342 posted on 12/06/2006 3:20:16 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Eating snow is the very worst thing a person can do when trying to survive. It lowers the body's core temperature and may also cause thermal shock internally....I lived in Alaska for over 20 years, flew search & rescue missions as a pilot monthly and have seen countless cases like this one. Take some time to learn all the facts before getting into a shouting match

Will you please post some good survival tips regarding the nursing mother/snow eating/general survival in snow?

343 posted on 12/06/2006 3:21:39 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Revolting cat!
The Holier than Thou types come here to demonstrate their holiness (they type "prayers for the family" as if typing that was actually praying, and "condolences to the family" as if the family were reading the thread, and so on.) This makes any rational thinking impossible and offensive to the prayerful and the phony condolences carriers. Oh, well.

I see we're moving right along from trashing the father who was trying to save his family to trashing those who very well may be praying for the victims of various tragedies they read about on FR. And who would those holier-than-thou types be, exactly?

344 posted on 12/06/2006 3:26:21 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: TexanToTheCore

All very good advice.

I am not sure if anyone has thought on how few people have any idea of how to survive and I lay the blame at a society that ridicuules the Boy Scouts,hunting,and do-it-yourself types in favor of "leave it to the experts".

It is as though there is a deliberate plot to make us all dependent.

WE are constantly reminded to let the trained people handle it,we are taught passivity,our kids are drugged for being too active and young boys are severely disciplined for merely having pocketknives.
I personally think every sane person ought to cary a good folding multi-tool as well.Having a screwdriver,pliers,and small knife can be very useful.

I wish Mr. Kim had lived to be with his family.


345 posted on 12/06/2006 3:27:20 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: hoosierham

"I am not sure if anyone has thought on how few people have any idea of how to survive and I lay the blame at a society that ridicuules the Boy Scouts,hunting,and do-it-yourself types in favor of "leave it to the experts". "

You are absolutely correct. Boys should be in the Boy Scouts for certain, not because it is a fun way to spend weekends and not because they build character, but because their eventual familie's lives may depend on the skills that they learn and practice in the outback.

I carry a Case 84A knife. A good knife with a really excellant saw blade. Man does that thing go through branches.


346 posted on 12/06/2006 3:33:22 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (DE)
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To: Fawn

What's wrong with you?


347 posted on 12/06/2006 3:34:56 PM PST by AmeriBrit (Soros and Clinton's for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington = SCREW.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Some of those comments (on that site) condemning Mr. Kim are as stupid as comments by a couple of posters here. It is always easy to perform a post-mortem of this tragedy from the comfort of an armchair. However, only God knows what the levels of desperation that drove this poor man to search for help after spending 7 days with his family.

From other accounts, it clearly appears that he even got rid of a second pair of pants in order to create a trail that led back to his family (in the car).

If he was selfish or stupid, as some claim, I don't know what to say.


348 posted on 12/06/2006 3:37:23 PM PST by indcons (indcons - an enemy of islam)
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To: Fawn

Well bless your heart.....in the southern fashion. Where do you perfect people come from?


349 posted on 12/06/2006 3:56:07 PM PST by daybreakcoming
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To: daybreakcoming

LOL....it was only after I lived in the south that I **really** understood the meaning of the phrase, "Bless your heart."


350 posted on 12/06/2006 3:57:00 PM PST by indcons (Think)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Oh the earthquake backpack goes without saying. Have that too. You understand the importance of water in desert climates. Heck, I also carry a compass in my console along with mag flashlights, big, small, all sizes.


351 posted on 12/06/2006 4:02:41 PM PST by Conservative4Ever
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To: Albion Wilde

Mom shouldn't eat the snow and neither should you because it chills the body core temperature.(my neighbors thought to avoid hauling water once and shoveled their cistern full of snow-it stayed frozen and alsp froze what water was already there!!!!)
Burn something and melt the snow in a cup or tin can .
If traveling in remote or isolated areas try to have the pocket blantes ,matches ans little candles in a baggie,some chocolate bars ,etc.

I would have tried burning any wood available but don't know if there was some near the Kims' car.It would seem one could find wood in a forest preserve and having once started a tire burning the fire kept fed with wood.Some damp wood added carefully could create a smoke column visible in calm but winds will disperse smoke.

Millions of today's American would do no better than Mr Kim and Many much worse.WE too often think ,because we are told by advertisers and experts,that a cell ophone is a substitute for preparedness. Every winter I see people traveling with nothing more than comfortable indoor attire entirely unready if the car heater quits or even the housecoat-clad person "just making a quick trip to the store".


352 posted on 12/06/2006 4:03:21 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: indcons
There was one brain dead old broad posting on another thread that the Kims staged this event so they could write a book!!!
353 posted on 12/06/2006 4:03:38 PM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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He almost made it to a point where he would have been found much earlier. The route he took was a 4000' vertical drop over 5 miles from the road to the bottom of the Big Windy Creek gorge where it meets the Rogue River. 1/2 mile downriver from that confluence was a campsite with shelters next to a wide, open bar in the river floodplain, any clothing there would have been easily spotted from the air. He was found 1/2 mile from of the gorge bottom, so he made it 4.5 miles down the 5 mile slope and was within 1 mile of the shelter, where he would have been found Monday or maybe even Sunday.


354 posted on 12/06/2006 4:10:01 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (An easy 10-team playoff based on the BCS bowls can be implemented by next year. See my homepage.)
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To: tubebender

Amazing! I have always believed that people, in general, are decent and can be expected to do the right thing.

However, some of these inhuman and cruel responses lead me to wonder if I am being overly optimistic in my (admittedly limited) understanding of human nature.


355 posted on 12/06/2006 4:10:03 PM PST by indcons (Think)
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To: indcons
LOL....it was only after I lived in the south that I **really** understood the meaning of the phrase, "Bless your heart."

Unfortunately, I haven't been Blessed with the opportunity to live in the South.  Family obligations force me to remain, miserably, in The People's Republic of Washington State, surrounded by Socialists and worse, as well as a disproportionate number of people who haven't a clue as to what Friendliness and Courtesy mean. 

As a result, I'm a little unsure as to what you're driving at.  Should I understand that "Bless your heart" in this context means something along the lines of "I'm far too polite to say 'go to Hell' or 'up yours' or 'How did you manage to get as old as you are, being as breathtakingly stupid as you are?', so I'll say this as a generic response that doesn't drag me down to such an uncouth level."?. 

Just guessing here  :-)

356 posted on 12/06/2006 4:15:39 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: hoosierham

Two years in the military would go a long way to preparing Americans for survival situations. Had Mr. Kim been drafted and served a 2-year hitch he'd have been better trained to handle this problem. I feel for the family and my sincere sympathies and prayers go out to them.


357 posted on 12/06/2006 4:25:05 PM PST by PeterFinn (B’fhearr Gaeilge briste na Béarla cliste.)
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To: Apple Blossom
The body will use up valuable energy and carbs when digesting snow, to warm the snow. Additionally, the snow in body, lowers overall body heat. I went snowpacking in Yosemite valley many years ago; we used Boda bags to melt the snow before drinking. I learned a lot.

Saw the news about Kim, before I got here. I am so saddened. I've been praying he'd be found alive. Lord have mercy.

358 posted on 12/06/2006 4:30:23 PM PST by Alia
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To: Stoat

Pretty good guess for a "yankee". :o)


359 posted on 12/06/2006 4:42:59 PM PST by daybreakcoming
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To: tubebender

That old broad, in all probability, was me. I am not brain dead, by the way, but sometimes I wish!

Modern media has won, and I now am somewhat cynical. Many people have tried to manipulate the media for personal gain. It is getting very hard to separate the wheat from the chaff!

I do tend to get sarcastic when I am very upset, as I was the other night when I posted about this story. I actually was hoping this was a bit staged so that I wouldn't have to think about the consequences of setting out on a trip like this with such young children, so unprepared.

I am not blaming them personally, as I was once young, invincible, and optimistic, thinking that nothing bad could happen to me.

If anything can be gained from this tragedy, I hope it encourages other young families to be a bit more prepared when heading out on an adventure.

The problem I see with the name-calling on this thread is that so many want to see the events that happen around us in "either-or" terms. If critical of the poor choices made, one becomes "heartless", and if sympathetic, one becomes "virtuous and caring".

One can be both, I think.. Bad things can and do happen to good people, through no fault of their own. But sometimes good people do risky things, and contribute to the bad things that happen to them. When this happens, wise people try to learn by the bad example, so as to avoid a similar catastrophe.


360 posted on 12/06/2006 4:45:04 PM PST by jacquej
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