Ruby Ridge...documentary films?

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[Chasaway]

Good evening, Freepers.

I just watched a documentary on the Ruby Ridge/Randy Weaver fiasco with my family. I'd like to get some recommendations from you folks on some other good documentary films about it.

My kids are too young to remember any of this (or actually even be AROUND for it) and I want to put some of this kind of stuff in perspective for them.

A year or so ago, we did the whole Waco/Rules of Engagement route to try to get our arms around that whole thing. And then when we watched this little hour-long thing about Ruby Ridge tonight, it made my son get out his guns and start cleaning them. (Had kind of a crazy look in his eye, too. And he's generally a pretty calm kid.)

It may sound a bit like I'm trying to indoctrinate, but I'm really not. I just want my kids to know what the government can do and what it can be like. They've already seen the "nanny-state" side of the government. I want them to understand the flip side, too.

So...all that being said, I'm looking for documentaries or films that tell the story pretty well. We'll probably watch the movie with Randy Quaid as Weaver (although I really didn't like that one when I saw it the first time), but I'd like some really good documentaries that you've seen and appreciate/respect.

Any help or ideas would be really appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

C

[Chasaway]

I think I "oopsed" on this. It's supposed to just be a vanity post. If it needs to be moved, would you do so?

Thanks.

C

[Rodney King]

Waco: The Big Lie is fantastic.

Death and Taxes, which is about Gordon Kahl, has good info but is rambling and incoherent.

[labette]

Did you see this?

[amchugh]

pinging myself to check back on this thread later.

[Chasaway]

Actually, yes. I was following that thread for most of its existence.

Admittedly, I was puzzled by many of the comments that seemed to take Weaver's oddities - whether religious or social - and make them license for an almost unbelievable (literally!) overreaction by law enforcement. I understand that he acted and talked WAY out the mainstream (as did the folks at Waco), and that he was so "rural" that folks in the big city might see him as dangerous, and that he was so far removed geographically that they might see "good riddance" as a real, "okay" response to what happened.

However, I don't agree. I don't share his beliefs and he could have made some different decisions. But he didn't shoot his son, his wife and his friend. To lay the blame on him solely, or even largely, is mistaken, IMHO.

Long answer to your short question, huh? Yes, I was following the thread the other day, and then I saw the show was on tonite. After watching it with my kids, I realized they might need a little more on the subject.

Thanks,

C

[labette]

Agreed!

[Eagles6]

Randy Weaver said the government was out to get him so he moved his family into the woods, lowered his profile and they still found him. Guess he was right.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Weaver wrote a book on teh subject that you should be able to track down.

Also, Unintended Consequences has an extensive factual account of the event, with a firearms perspective. (The whole book is excellent, but contains some lurid sections that are inappropriate for children.)

[oldenuff2no]

All of this started because of one quarter inch. Randy is alleged to have sold a sawed off shotgun to an undercover fed that had a barrel that was one fourth inch too short. For that one quarter inch they shot his teenage son in the back and his wife in the head.
I have heard and read how the sniper who shot Randy's wife was shooting at another target. I do not believe this was true. I think the shooter was a highly trained marksman and hit exactly what he was shooting at. For a person with this amount of training not to see what is behind his intended target is beyond any standard of credibility. It is hard to prove what anyone intended or didn't intend to do. All we have to go on is the word of the man who shot an unarmed woman in the head while she was holding her child in her arms breastfeeding. I think he would say anything to cover his butt.

[TFFKAMM]

Here's a case very much like Ruby Ridge or Waco, but far more obscure since it broke just days before 9/11, and got buried in the media.

[happinesswithoutpeace]

You may also want to look into the past of the current Governor of Massachusetts, if you have not already.

[org.whodat]

Randy is alleged to have sold a sawed off shotgun to an undercover fed that had a barrel that was one fourth inch too short.

Should point out that he was paid by the FBI to cut that 1/4 inch off.

[TheBridge]

Weaver was an idiot............and his wife didn't help the situation. That's my take.

It all could have been avoided. Don't blame anything on the Government. Weirdos in the woods need to be polite to Authorities, too.

[TheBridge]

Weaver blew it.
That's what happened.

[backhoe]

FYI:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b6a7a881ed0.htm
Return to Ruby Ridge-- SNAFU? Or Summary Execution?
Published: 08-03-01 Author: backhoe

[Chasaway]

Excellent...

Thanks.

C

[backhoe]

[THEUPMAN]

Weirdos in the woods need to be polite to Authorities, too.



ya ... being rude to a leo is a death penalty offense.

I'm usually polite on this forum , but your a trolling idiot.

[DainBramage]

He's being sarcastic.