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French official suggested Bush was behind September 11
Reuters via Yahoo! News ^ | 2007 Jul 7

Posted on 07/07/2007 5:15:46 AM PDT by Wiz

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To: Wiz

Well, yeah, while we are working on these “conspiracy” theories, how about Lyndon B. Johnson being behind the JFK assassination? Or FDR working behind the scenes to arrange for the state of unpreparedness of the US Navy at Pearl Harbor in 1941?

Some assertions, on the face of them, are patently absurd. But in pursuit of the doctrine that “every voice must be allowed to speak”, logic and reason are sometimes totally lost to sight.

Every voice retains the same right to be taken seriously, especially when the logic behind the assertion is totally flawed.

Never criticize another person until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and you have his shoes.


21 posted on 07/07/2007 5:59:14 AM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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To: raybbr
Of course, he doesn't search for news other than what he get from the MSM.

The information about the "conspiracy" of 9/11 is primarily internet fueled

Your NRA friend must be listening to some moonbats with access to this nonsense, because even the MSM with their venal hatred of Bush doesn't go there with 9/11 U.S. plots.

22 posted on 07/07/2007 6:03:24 AM PDT by Popman (I removed my Bushbot brain chip after he didn't veto the McCain Feingold election anti freedom bill)
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To: Wiz

Didn’t Hillary make an appearance on a stage while carrying a copy of a newspaper claiming, ‘Bush Knew’.
— Same implication. I say tie her to the french craziness and let her absorb some scorn for it.


23 posted on 07/07/2007 6:08:37 AM PDT by kdot
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To: Sherman Logan
I have personal friends who worked on the cleanup of the Pentagon, which it is claimed wasn’t hit by a plane. They personally found pieces of plane and human bodies.

I found this part of the 9/11 crap particulate galling as there is photographic evidence of the bodies from people in the plane, plane parts.

I really feel for the families of the victims who have to hear this crap

24 posted on 07/07/2007 6:09:21 AM PDT by Popman (I removed my Bushbot brain chip after he didn't veto the McCain Feingold election anti freedom bill)
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To: Wiz
Boutin backs her assertion by pointing to the large number of people who visit websites that challenge the official line over the September 11 strikes against U.S. cities. "I know that the websites that speak of this problem are websites that have the highest number of visits ... And I tell myself that this expression of the masses and of the people cannot be without any truth."

Now this is just plain stupid. It is the fallacy of Ad Populum. This fallacy is sometimes committed while trying to convince a person that a widely popular theory is true.

It's like saying since most people think UFO's are real, then they must be real.

25 posted on 07/07/2007 6:09:39 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

UFO’s are not real?


26 posted on 07/07/2007 6:18:46 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa
UFO’s are not real?

I don't know, actually. I tend to doubt it, at least without evidence. Oh, sure I do believe that in this emmense Universe, we are not the only lifeforms, and there very well may be more advanced sentient beings out there, but have they come here? There is simply no proof.

The fact that some polls show that most people believe that UFOs, piloted or occupied by beings from other planets than ours still doesn't make it true.

Believing that we're not alone, and that UFOs are out and about the Earth and haven't attacked us and therefore are benevolent is a wonderful fantasy and may very well explain "most people's" belief.

27 posted on 07/07/2007 6:31:10 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Wiz

This salope sounds like a good candidate for Scientology.


28 posted on 07/07/2007 6:33:01 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: rovenstinez

Paranoia runs deep.

I suppose it’s “our problem”, but really, life is too short to argue with the deluded.

“Our problem”, in that people’s preception can affect how they treat you. There is so much irrationality and nonsense in this world, I suppose we shouldn’t expect any better of the World.

Do you mind if I just dismiss, rather than engage, 911 “truthers”?


29 posted on 07/07/2007 6:34:59 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: rovenstinez
Considering the 'rest of the world' sees Bush and the US through the lens of CNN-International and similar outlets, I'm surprised it isn't worse. Besides, conspiratorial fantasies hold strong appeal for the ignorant and powerless.
30 posted on 07/07/2007 6:35:43 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: pacelvi
do they REALLY REALLY believe it, or do they just say they do.

That's an interesting question. Liberals in the U.S. often say things I know they couldn't possibly believe but they seem to be able to partition their brain and convince themselves the lie is in the common good. That's one aspect. Another aspect is a person can be smart but people can be stupid. As part of a group people can succumb to the lowest common denominator thinking in order to fit into the group. So its possible some just say they believe it.

31 posted on 07/07/2007 6:37:58 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Wiz

Sooner or later we’re going to discover a chemical in European soil or water that has driven Europeans stark raving mad.


32 posted on 07/07/2007 6:38:33 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Ignore the will of the people at your peril, Political "Aristocrats"!)
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To: pacelvi
do they REALLY REALLY believe it, or do they just say they do.

It's akin to believing in alien abductions or crop circles. They believe it because they want to. They want it to be true so they tell themselves it is.

33 posted on 07/07/2007 6:39:03 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Wiz

The Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys have to say this. Remember, if they go to war, history shows they lose or surrender. If there is no “ikcy” terrorists or WOT, there is not war to lose or surrender in? :o)


34 posted on 07/07/2007 6:44:27 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my SUV with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: Wiz

According to this lady the Cubs will win the 2007 World series I saw it on some websites.

Better cancel my Australia plans for October!


35 posted on 07/07/2007 6:49:38 AM PDT by cubswinby100
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To: Popman; raybbr; Milhous; abb
The information about the "conspiracy" of 9/11 is primarily internet fueled

Another unexpected consequence of the "fall" of the Dinosaur Media.

Which is actually worse? Walter Cronkite ending the Vietnam War, or Truthers and DUmmies making up a large segment of the "New Media"?

36 posted on 07/07/2007 7:01:05 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Which is actually worse? Walter Cronkite ending the Vietnam War, or Truthers and DUmmies making up a large segment of the "New Media"?

I don't think there was anything that could be done to stop it. With somewhat advanced technology available to so many people this was bound to happen.

What this has really done is pull the covers off of the intellectually lazy people in the U.S. Too many poeple are too lazy in the mind to find the truth - even as it's more readily available than ever before.

37 posted on 07/07/2007 7:20:15 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: sam_paine
Which is actually worse? Walter Cronkite ending the Vietnam War, or Truthers and DUmmies making up a large segment of the "New Media"?

Very interesting question.

YouTube, Yahoo, My Space, Google, Wikipedia and similar sites are making huge inroads in information dissemination to the youth, Gen Xer's of the world.

There are very few filters on these sites to test what get passed off as "truth" or "facts" so a lot of crap needs to be looked at and absorbed

These sites have very little blog like interaction to reign in the obvious BS as FR does to do that for them.

In the long run I thinks its a good thing because the more BS people are exposed to the more they actually want to be informed, it is better than the days people swallowed what Uncle Walt said hook, line and sinker without question.

As an example, I have 4 grown adult kids in the 20's. All of them have become very wary of what gets passed off as news

38 posted on 07/07/2007 7:22:01 AM PDT by Popman (I removed my Bushbot brain chip after he didn't veto the McCain Feingold election anti freedom bill)
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To: sam_paine
Unfortunately even doing nothing causes unintended consequences. At this point in time a monolithic monopoly media serving the likes of Walter Cronkite seems far worse then dense kooks trying to justify their hatred of America by creating their own imagined inherent evil lurking in America.

When, after the misreported Tet offensive of 1968 (a U.S. military victory described as a crushing defeat), Cronkite declared Vietnam a "stalemate," it led to Communist victory in Vietnam, toppling dominoes in Southeast Asia, and encouragement to left revolutionary movements worldwide.

39 posted on 07/07/2007 7:22:38 AM PDT by Milhous (There are only two ways of telling the complete truth: anonymously and posthumously. - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Wiz

The men in white coats will be here soon.....please just have a seat while we get you some water......


40 posted on 07/07/2007 7:38:38 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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