A Call for Internet War Against Islamic Terrorism

July 19 2007 | jveritas

[jveritas]

To: abuse@aims.com.my

Subject: Your company is hosting a terrorist website

Dear Sir

Your company is hosting the following terrorist forum: http://www.alfirdaws.org/vb/

Please take the appropriate actions to shut it down. Thank you.

Best regards

xxxxxx

[seekthetruth]

Wish I could help you, but I’m just an old lady and not real computer savy! Thanks to all of you who can do anything to help in our war against the terrorists. Keep up the great work! :)

[3RDDAN]

SPY VS. SPY VS. SPY LETS GIVE THEM SOME FALSE INFO LIKE OUR BULLETS ARE DIPPED IN PIGS BLOOD THEN,IF THEY ARE KILLED IN JIHAD, THEY CAN’T GET VIRGINS! HA HA

[jveritas]

Thank you very much seekthetruth.

I posted on this thread the e-mail texts that I sent to the internet firms hosting the terrorist websites and forums. If you have time and if you wish, you can simply send them the same e-mail texts and this way they will be alerted more when more people are e-mailing them about these terrorist websites that they are hosting.

[NRA2BFree]

Holy smokes! There's sure a lot of them. I wish I spoke the language. I'd love to know what they say.

Could this be considered a violation of the First Amendment? I can almost see the ACLU panting at the door. It could set a precedent that could come back to bite us. How long would it be before liberals wanted Free Republic shut down?

Other than that, I think it's a great idea.

[april15Bendovr]

Be aware that Daily Kos, DU and Moveon.org will all be upset that their ability to help Al Qaeda and terrorist has been diminished.

[Marine_Uncle]

Thanks for the ping. We had a similar listing and references about two years back at FR. I remember book marking. It was an article provided by a women who has been tracking these sites over a period of time. Nicely layed out html tables where provided with the ISP names, name of client etc..
We should remember our Intel Orgs. do use these sites 24/7 to see what is developing in the world of darkness.
I go along with your suggestion to pressure the ISP's and secondary level providers to consider bumping them off, but at the same time much intel gathering is done as a result of these web sights being in existence. It is a two edged sword.

[jveritas]

A blind, deaf, and mute enemy is better than waiting to get lucky and get something specific about a terrorist attack or the location of a terrorist. If they cannot communicate to begin with the probability of them conducting a terrorist attack will be greatly diminished.

I have monitored these websites for a while and the terrorists are very aware that they are being observed so they do not give any important or specific information on the public forum plus they are well versed about hiding and their personal IP addresses, they always give each other instructions on how to do hide IP and other tricks to avoid being caught. However they use the "private mail" of these forums to get more specific and to relate important information to each other. If the forum stop to exist hence its private chat room seize to exist and hence you kill their secret communication. In addition killing a terrorist forum or a website will kill all the terrorist materials that the terrorists use and spread on the internet.

We do not have many Arabic speaking people monitoring these sites, in fact you needs at least 3 to 4 thousands of Arabic speaking people to monitor these sites 24/7 and we simply do not have these resources.

[jveritas]

Could this be considered a violation of the First Amendment?

In the mind of traitors yes it is a violation of the first amendment but of course they are totally wrong as usual. Telling people to kill Americans, recruiting people for terrorism, and teaching them how to do terrorist attacks do not fall under the first amendment none whatsoever.

The government agencies can have more difficult time to shut a terrorist website because of "procedural stuff" and obstacles of "legalities" than regular folks like you and me pressuring the internet provider to shut the terrorist website or forum.

[Marine_Uncle]

Good points J. And your opening comment was in my thoughts as I wrote.

[jveritas]

I will be aware :)

[jveritas]

There is judge from Pennsylvania who found someone on the internet who wanted to do a terrorist attack and she was able to lure him in and eventually the FBI caught him. The judge was successful in getting this terrorist or at least lead to his arrest for few simple reasons. The guy was not smart at all, and he only spoke English on the terrorist forum because he was an American, and he was too stupid and did not hide his IP address. So it was really luck all over because this guy wanted to be a terrorist but he is not one of the well trained Al Qaeda terrorists who are well aware that they are being observed and they do not make stupid mistakes as that guy from Seattle did.

The British government tracked for 2 years an internet terrorist guru whose name was "Irahabi 007". Despite all the available technologies and monitoring all his internet activities they could not locate him in the UK and they could not find his IP address because he was very good in hiding his IP address and not leaving traces. He was finally arrested but only after the British government arrested two people who knew him. Also "Irahabi 007" was British born muslim and he wrote everything in English.

Now imagine islamic terrorists on the internet who are very well versed in hiding their IP and similar hiding identity techniques, are very well aware that they are being observed and monitored, they are very disciplined, and communicate only in Arabic, it will be extremely hard to get them.

[Marine_Uncle]

And your closing statement is what I tried to explain to Blam the other day in another post.
One problem is one does not need to use web sites, but only maintain well updated email address lists. But again I am not saying I am against your suggestion to have all known sites and the thousands that re-pop up extinguished as they are made known.
Of course DNS server farms in the far east and associated ISPs will find a lot of new business. The Internet is not what it was fifteen years ago.
And a DNS server(s) can exclude access of the main stream, and only allow those servers at ISPs to have access by choosing.
In fact this is what China has been up to. They are building their own Internet Backbone. Likewise, eventually the Islamic world will move in that direction. It is just a matter of time.

[Marine_Uncle]

I have to hit the rack. Been up since 3:30AM to be at work at 5AM. I am shot. Do have a great upcoming day.

[jveritas]

Of course DNS server farms in the far east and associated ISPs will find a lot of new business

Correct, notice in my original post how many terrorist websites are based in Malaysia, a muslim country in Southeast Asia. However there is a world wide internet protocol that prohibit the use of terrorist materials and even those internet providers in Malyasia must abide by it or they will be shut down.

[tcw_laj4ALL]

Thank you so much for posting the info. about the terrorist conspiracy websites. Didn’t realize that these sort of tools were available to the terrosists and supported by legitimate companies who do web hosting.

I’ll get on sending the e-mails right now. This CANNOT be allowed to go on.

[jveritas]

You are welcome, and thank you very much for sending the e-mails to the internet providers who are hosting the terrorist websites and forums.

The bigger challenge is how to monitor the storage and download internet providers where the terrorists are storing and downloading their terrorist materials and where they can use these stored materials and data to rebuild their websites in case they were shut down. It will be hard to shut a storage website like www.archive.org because it is storing all types of files and data and not just terrorist materials, and it is being used by so many people and not just the terrorists.

[PGalt]

“The internet is the home front of the global jihad”...(more here)...

http://www.internet-haganah.com/harchives/005643.html

Thanks to FReeper Cindy for the above link on the Threat Matrix thread.

Good idea, Joseph. Thanks for all of your work. Interesting thread. Thanks to all contributors.

[jveritas]

Excellent article.

[captjanaway]

Thanks for this info. I have been wondering how to do this. I spend WAY too much time on line and might as well do something productive.