Posted on 07/20/2007 12:30:45 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
UC Berkeley scientists, digging deep into a remote New Mexico hillside, have discovered a trove of fossil bones that they say is evidence that dinosaurs and their early relatives lived side by side for tens of millions of years before the relatives slowly died off and left the dinosaurs to dominate the ancient world.
Until now many scientists had thought that dinosaur "precursors" -- perhaps their ancestors -- disappeared suddenly long before the dinosaurs themselves rose to prominence, but the bones dug up by Berkeley paleontologists show evidence of a different story.
The discovery of a wide variety of creatures all mingled together in layer upon layer of rocks dating from Earth's late Triassic period between 235 million and 200 million years ago, they say, shows that the strange relatives of the dinosaurs remained on the scene while the dinosaurs evolved into truly dominant creatures during the Jurassic period, between 120 million and 200 million years ago.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
Right! And the evidence does not show a gradual progression from one family, cats say, to another, horses or whatever. Cats stay cats, canines stay canines, etc.
And I am a fundamentalist in that I believe that everything in the Bible is absolutely true and inspired by God. : )
No, Adam wasn't the first human but he began the Adamic line that led to Christ. In that respect he was the "first man Adam".
There are many differences in the Genesis descriptions of man and Adam. Man(kind) was created on the 6th day,
So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Gen.1:27)
On the seventh day He rested but then ...and there was not a man to till the ground.
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen.2:7)
And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man. (Gen.2:21-22)
There were many differences in the two. One was created and one was formed. Mankind was created at the same time as woman. Eve was not formed at the same time. Mankind was given dominion over fish, fowl, etc. while Adam was to till the ground and keep the garden.
My belief is that mankind had an earlier start than the Adamic line. That is why Cain was able to find a wife and start a city when he was banned from the Garden - other people were already there. That is where the different races came from. God created them all but not from one man.
He used the Bible to pinpoint the exact moment of creation, which he put down as occuring in October 4004 BC. Can the Bible be wrong in this respect?
BWAAAAHAAHAAHAAA!
Come on, really...
The Bible is always correct (in it's original form) but man can be wrong in how they interpret it.
I believe Genesis tells us that the earth is millions or billions of years old but that this age started about 14,000 years ago.
Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
It didn't say when that was, just "in the begining".
1:2 (first 1/2) And the earth "was" without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
The word "was" was mistranslated and should be "became" - the earth became without form and void.
1:2 (last 1/2) And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
That was the beginning of the first day of this age. Then factor in that 1,000 years is as one day to God (2 Peter 3:8). So, the first 7,000 years went by, Adam was formed in the 8th. There were 4,000 years from Adam to Christ and then 2,000 years since His crucifixion = 14,000 years since the beginning of this age.
I AM getting old. I had that on vinyl.
Federal Express, Post Office couldn’t have done it.
In that case, when the Bible says that Adam lived 930 years how long was that? Let's see...1 hour equals 1000 years...8,760 hours in a year....
My response was to your post that stated:
Nothing in observed science contradicts anything in the Bible.I provided an example where science does contradict something in the bible.
My statement relies on two things.
The first is the date of a global flood. I have listed some interpretations for that below. They generally center around 2350 BC or 4350 years ago. I have no independent opinion on this, so must rely on scholars and their opinions.
Second, is the lack of evidence for a global flood at that date in archaeology and sedimentology. I have spent a lot of years doing archaeology and reading archaeological journals. My colleagues and I have not found evidence for a global flood at the time it should have occurred. Instead, we find a number of kinds of evidence which show continuity from before, during, and after that date. In my area we have continuity of prehistoric cultures, mtDNA, fauna and flora, soil deposition, etc. No break 4350 years ago.
But if you want to see evidence for a large flood (actually a series of floods), google "channeled scablands" and see what happened in central and southern Washington at the end of the last ice age. Ice dams held glacial meltwater in the Idaho panhandle area, creating a series of lakes in western Montana. Periodically these dams released the water, and it scoured parts of Washington. The point I want to make here is that a large flood leaves evidence. A global flood much more recently would have erased that evidence and left other, much more visible evidence. And archaeologists and other -ologists are pretty good at finding that evidence--if it is there.
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The date of the global flood:
2252 BC -- layevangelism.com
2304 BC -- Answers in Genesis (+/- 11 years).
2350 BC -- Morris, H. Biblical Creationism. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books, 1993.
2370 BC -- TalkOrigins.com
2500 BC -- http://www.nwcreation.net/biblechrono.html
2522 BC -- Dr. Gerhard Hasel
2978-3128 BC -- http://www.asa3.org/archive/ASA/199605/0162.html
3300 BC -- http://www.biblediscoveries.com/flood1.html
3537 BC -- Setterfield (1999)
How is this "proof positive"?
There are God's days and there are our days. There are also the days of Daniel that differ from ours.
The creation was His so could the time there be reckoned by His time? The years of Adam belonged to him so could it be reckoned by human time? Just something to think about but it certainly can be the answer to some puzzling questions.
Not to mention it cannot possibly refer to earth days since the earth sun wasn’t created til day three.
>>He used the Bible to pinpoint the exact moment of creation, which he put down as occuring in October 4004 BC. Can the Bible be wrong in this respect?<<
Man can surely be wrong.
And revelations to man are limited by the man and the times.
I have faith, I also have the intelligence to know the is a lot more to it than what the Bible holds. If they had space.com or National Geographic back then maybe they would have been more detailed. The frame of reference used in writing the narratives was time/knowledge based. The flood may well have been local in scope but globe in perception. The Roman’s used to think the “world” was their empire. The dates at the end of your post to be from the creationist sites. It could be that some local catastrophic event became the narrative that passed down the line, maybe it occurred much earlier, who knows.
I don’t hold the over simplified explanation that the Creation Scientist hold. I had a minister friend who was also a geologist by trade, he’s the one I got the “Jesus Flintstone” line from. He used to hate those publications that would show man, much less Christ petting Brontosaurs. I got my take from him many years ago. If you truly believe in an all powerful and all knowing God, he can make anything he wants, and time he wants, anyway he wants. To turn your back on or dismiss obvious results is ignorant and an insult to the very power you say you worship.
To me the work you and other scientist do does not prove or disprove God as fact. Like I said that’s too easy anyways. If God was sitting down and showing ID to everybody then there would be no point.
When I look at the complexity of a double star system, the beauty of a nebula, the majesty of the mountains, the mysteries of the deep ocean, mind knows what I have read of the mechanics and properties, my heart and my faith tell that it is good for me to enjoy the gift...
Thanks for the good reply.
I too enjoyed it. I have a soft for those who dig in the dirt to rediscover our history. Was a history major myself and enjoyed the results of being able to reach back and “touch” the people, places and things I studied.
Keep digging.
You know what I mean...
Don’t forget about Adam’s first wife, Lilith.
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