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FReep This Poll! Do you support the murder conviction of Marine Sgt. Lawrence Hutchins?
North County Times/The Californian ^ | August 2, 2007 | North County Times/The Californian

Posted on 08/02/2007 6:45:04 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

FReep This Poll!

Actual poll question:

Do you support the murder conviction of squad leader Sgt. Lawrence Hutchins in the Hamdania case?

Yes

No, too strong

No, too lenient

Go to the North County Times/The Californian link provided on this FR post.

Scroll down a bit and look for the poll on the right hand side.

Vote your choice.

(Excerpt) Read more at nctimes.com ...


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: fogofwar; hamdania; hutchins; iraq; marines; pc; terrorism; ucmj; wot
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Current results:

Yes (7 Votes, 29%)

No, too strong (16 Votes, 67%)

No, too lenient (1 Votes, 4%)

God Bless the Marines, soldiers, sailors and airmen who serve America and who put themselves in harms way.

1 posted on 08/02/2007 6:45:08 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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Related news article:

“Jury convicts Marine of murder”

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/08/02/news/top_stories/1_01_458_1_07.txt


2 posted on 08/02/2007 6:47:01 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Voted and BTTT.


3 posted on 08/02/2007 6:48:11 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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“Charging Kurtz with murder in this place is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500.”

Apocalypse Now


4 posted on 08/02/2007 6:48:54 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER; RedRover; lilycicero; Girlene; freema; smoothsailing

Ping!


5 posted on 08/02/2007 6:49:02 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: DogByte6RER
I have been in a couple of military trials and I have to say they get it right. If the evidence was presented that he did this crime, and if the jury was convinced beyond a "reasonable doubt", then who are we to second guess the jury? He will get appropriate review and will be justly sentenced.

In uniform or out, a crime is a crime.

6 posted on 08/02/2007 6:49:23 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: DogByte6RER; 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; AmericaUnite; ...
As usual, no "heck no!" option.

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7 posted on 08/02/2007 6:49:56 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: DogByte6RER

No, it’s a miscarriage of justice?


8 posted on 08/02/2007 6:53:10 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Ben Mugged
The whole point of our support of the Marines and Soldiers accused of crimes in Iraq has been to make sure they get fair trials, and that the innocent walk.
9 posted on 08/02/2007 6:56:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ben Mugged; jazusamo
In uniform or out, a crime is a crime.

Moral relativism raises it's ugly head once more.

Know any good lawyer jokes?

10 posted on 08/02/2007 6:59:58 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Liberal ideas can be hilarious in peacetime, in wartime they're life-threatening)
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To: smoothsailing
Know any good lawyer jokes?

That's a trick question. Everyone knows there is no such thing as a good lawyer.

If you are familiar with the UCMJ, it is very clear about a soldiers conduct. It does not discern between combat and non-combat. I have heard no implication he did not get a fair trial.

11 posted on 08/02/2007 7:05:46 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: smoothsailing

Hopefully Sgt. Hutchins will be released for time already served and that the panel didn’t convict him of premeditated murder for that reason.


12 posted on 08/02/2007 7:07:52 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: DogByte6RER

Regardless of guilt or innocence to this particular Marine, I just know that this does not work well for recruitment. A young man or woman hearing the news that a Marine or and of our Military has been found guilty of murder while fighting in Iraq or any other country they are in, would make that potential recruit to rethink signing up because something like this could happen to them.

Nothing like fighting a PC War.


13 posted on 08/02/2007 7:10:44 PM PDT by rineaux (the powers that be are laughing at us)
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To: DogByte6RER

Absolute bullshit

ZERO ballistic evidence

ZERO outside witness testimony

ZERO identification of the body with 3 different stories of how the alleged victim was previously injured, NONE of which matched the body received

3 Marines who previously pleade out in the case came forward in Sgt Hutchin’s case and TOLD THE JURY that NCIS coerced their testimony!!!


14 posted on 08/02/2007 7:14:15 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 2 ..GWB, we hardly knew you...)
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To: Ben Mugged

I’m no lawyer and wasn’t at the court-martial but the Judge did not allow testimony as to the identity of the victim. They’re not even sure who was killed and it was contended by the defense that he was an insurgent.


15 posted on 08/02/2007 7:15:45 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: DogByte6RER; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...

PING


16 posted on 08/02/2007 7:21:48 PM PDT by freema (BLANKET PARTY FOR JOHN MURTHA)
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To: DogByte6RER

Voted, no too strong.


17 posted on 08/02/2007 7:25:04 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer (Boycott China)
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To: DogByte6RER

Just voted.....84% NO, TOO STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


18 posted on 08/02/2007 7:27:18 PM PDT by debm29palms (Proud Wife of SSgt. Donald C. May, Jr. KIA 03-25-03)
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To: jazusamo
Prosecutors said that during a nighttime patrol in Hamdania, Iraq, in April 2006, Hutchins' squad hatched a plan to kidnap and kill a suspected insurgent from his house (IMHO a good plan). When they couldn't find him, they instead kidnapped a man from a neighboring house (IMHO this is where his plan went wrong), dragged him to a hole and shot him.

He had been identified as Hashim Ibrahim Awad, 52, but the name was dropped after defense attorneys contended the identity was not conclusive.

Prosecutors said squad members tried to cover up the killing by planting a shovel and AK-47 by his body to make it look like he was an insurgent planting a bomb.

Several witnesses testified the plot was born out of frustration after suspected insurgents kept evading prosecution.

The Iraqi may not have been innocent, but maybe he was. In the fog of war I could easily be convinced to side with the Sgt, but this was not the fog of war. It was not the soldiers place to be his judge and jury. Frustration is not a rationalization to kill.

He was found guilty by a jury of his peers.

19 posted on 08/02/2007 7:30:25 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Just Asking... wrote on Aug 2, 2007 3:03 PM: " A simple question: Did Hutchins demonstrate the Marine Corps values? Honor: requires each Marine to exemplify the ultimate standard in ethical and moral conduct. Courage: The moral strength, the will to heed the inner voice of conscience, the will to do what is right regardless of the conduct of others. Committment: combination of (1) selfless determination and (2) a relentless dedication to excellence. "These three values make up the bedrock of the character of each individual Marine. They are the foundation of his Corps. These three values, handed down from generation to generation, have made U.S. Marines the Warrior Elite. The U.S. Marine Corps: the most respected and revered fighting force on earth." "
Seems a lot of people want to throw that away
20 posted on 08/02/2007 7:34:56 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering)
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