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Okee doke. Show of hands....how many think Allan Tulchin of Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania is gay and a member of a brotherment?
1 posted on 08/27/2007 1:22:57 PM PDT by Hi Heels
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To: Hi Heels
"un pain, un vin, et une bourse,"

Having read much medieval history, the type of contract described brings to mind "brotherhoods" such as the Templars or Hospitilars more than pseudo-homosexual unions. Such Orders commonly swore all their worldly goods to the Order.

59 posted on 08/27/2007 2:19:53 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: Hi Heels

I am not gay, but I believe in "un pain, un vin, et une bourse," especially the purse part

60 posted on 08/27/2007 2:21:46 PM PDT by Popman (Nothing + Time + Chance = The Universe ---------------------Bridge in Brooklyn for sell - Cheap)
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To: Hi Heels
Bullcrap.
63 posted on 08/27/2007 2:27:28 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Hi Heels

They were sanctioned long before that, Sodom and Gomorrah, I think. Lot of good that did them!!


66 posted on 08/27/2007 2:31:59 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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Sheesh....EVERYTHING is GAY....Too bad their lives are not.


68 posted on 08/27/2007 2:43:28 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: Hi Heels

What else can I say,
Everyone is gay


69 posted on 08/27/2007 2:48:28 PM PDT by Rinnwald ( Master of Triple-tap Double-action-fu)
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To: Hi Heels

So, I guess the author thinks that we should revert to medieval social structure? I know the Democrats would like to treat us like serfs, but that is really going too far.


72 posted on 08/27/2007 2:57:40 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Hi Heels

“...can be interpreted as supporting...”

Well, yes, of course. If that is what you want to find, then chances are pretty good that you can ‘interpret’ them that way. :)


73 posted on 08/27/2007 2:59:10 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: Hi Heels

I think this is true. Not only is there evidence of meticulously planned weddings from that period, but Europe of the time was full of antiques.


75 posted on 08/27/2007 3:11:23 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: Hi Heels

You know, this author should have thought a little deeper before he published his findings. He is really making our argument even stronger by suggesting that if you ok “brotherment”, you are opening the door to all types of legal unions, including multiple partners, incestual unions and what about two old maid sisters who want to escape the death tax.


77 posted on 08/27/2007 3:13:56 PM PDT by Eva
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This is rubbish.

The rite of adelphopoesis ‘the making of brothers’ still exists in the Christian East, though it is rarely used any more. I have had correspondence on an Orthodox discussion board with someone who knew a pair of ‘made brothers’: one was a monk, the other a layman living in the world, who devoted part of his earnings to the support of his new brother, the monk.

It is interesting to learn that it existed in the Patriarchate of Rome as well.

While we Orthodox have a rite for making brothers, we also have penitential canons that prescribe the same penance for male-male anal sodomy as for murder (and witchcraft and incest with one’s child or sibling): excommunication with communion of the Holy Mysteries on the deathbed only. (Admittedly this, and other canonical penances, such as 20 years excommunication for adultery, 10 for fornication, 3 for killing in war are usually applied any more only in the case of recalicitrant sinners.)

Any attempt to make the rite of making brothers, Eastern or Western, out to be a medieval version of ‘gay marriage’ or as indicating an approval by the ancient or medieval Church of acts explicitly condemned as abhominations in Holy Scripture is at best naive scholarship, at worst, lying propaganda.


79 posted on 08/27/2007 3:23:32 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Hi Heels

This article does indeed smell of B.S. I think anyone would be foolish to say that sodomy didn’t exist in the middle ages, but to falsely and hopefully (from their viewpoint) say that it was SANCTIONED is PURE BULL!

In reality if homos were caught back then they more than likely would have been tortured and then killed by the rulers and the church.


84 posted on 08/27/2007 4:22:00 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Republicans if the don't beware ARE the new WHIGS! (all empty hairpieces..) :).)
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To: Hi Heels

From what I’ve read sodomites in the fourteenth century did not fare well under the inquisition.
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87 posted on 08/27/2007 7:39:43 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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Needs to retitle his work ....

“Things You Didn’t Know that Aren’t Even True”


88 posted on 08/27/2007 8:28:57 PM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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Oh yes! It was widely accepted back then! You didnt know that? They had the gay marriage churches right beside the partial birth abortion clinics and stem cell research labs. Jeez,you people need education,try Boulder CO,I hear the schools are greeat there!LOL!


89 posted on 08/28/2007 9:11:23 PM PDT by sayter_74
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90 posted on 08/28/2007 9:13:57 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Hi Heels
Read some of the more credulous responses on this thread to see how easily propagandistic fraud becomes common knowledge. We'll be hearing about this from the same people who think that medievals believed in a flat earth, or that the Mona Lisa is a self-portrait of Leonardo in drag.

This fraud also reveals how the homosexual movement cannot abide fraternal love between men. Everything must be sexualized. I wouldn't be surprised if this creeping homoeroticism has poisoned male friendship.

First Things has a good essay on the rite of adelphopoiesis, the Eastern rite of brotherhood and the modern perversion thereof. I had heard rumors of a Western variant, through another propagandist who was trying to dupe my college-aged sister.

91 posted on 08/28/2007 9:35:35 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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Why would the citation of societal behaviors that existed in the past assume some sort of validation or legitimacy for today?

So what?

92 posted on 08/29/2007 5:17:45 AM PDT by SQUID
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