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Vanity: Debt Collection Fraud? ANFI Collections
9/27/07 | me

Posted on 09/27/2007 1:17:56 PM PDT by AFreeBird

Okay, so this rare vanity is directed to my FReeper brethren to see if any of you have run across this situation. And to warn potential victims in case you're about to.

Out of the blue, I received a collections notice from a company called ANFI Collections, for a debt of some $100 dollars due to Verizon Florida, Inc.

Now some 15~20 years ago, I did live in Florida, and I did have local phone service with GTE, now part of Verizon (they listed a # and it sounds like it might have been mine, but it's been so long I don't actually remember). I moved from FLA 15 years ago.

I can't honestly say if I owe the debt, but all other utilities were paid and closed, and I have no reason to doubt that GTE was too. And my records from that time had been shredded a few years back. So I can't say.

But I did some Googling of ANFI and Verizon, and did turn up some some similar stories on other boards regarding this company. Apparently they bought up a bunch of names either from Verizon, or other collection companies, some dating back 20 years and have sent out mass mailings this year.

In any event I wanted to warn you all of this. It is a SCAM, or a Fraud IMHO. Maybe I did have a collection issue with GTE, but resolved it (with GTE directly) long ago, but the collections contract was never canceled, or the payment was not properly credited, or I don't know what. But the Statute of Limitations has run out.

I get the impression that this ANFI company is trying to scare people into paying. Do not call this company to inquire, and DO NOT PAY anything until you've throughly researched. You may have to respond to them, but do so in writing, and do so via Registered (return receipt requested) US postal mail (for possible postal fraud complaints), keep all copies of correspondence. You may want to start your research into a similar situation by taking a look at Fair Debt Collection.com, and Federal laws at the Federal Trade Commission.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: collections; debt; fraud
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Again, this is a friendly warning to my fellow FReepers. To be fore warned, is to be fore armed.
1 posted on 09/27/2007 1:17:59 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird
Google "Zombie debts"...You’ll be pleasantly surprised that the law protects you.


2 posted on 09/27/2007 1:20:42 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: AFreeBird

“And my records from that time had been shredded a few years back. So I can’t say.”

Yes, you can. They are required by law to provide verification of the debt upon your request. Also, I doubt that a 15 year old debt would still be enforceable in most states.


3 posted on 09/27/2007 1:21:35 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: AFreeBird

There is usually a statute of limitations on debt collection. I’m not sure of the legal particulars in Florida, but, if this truly occurred 15-20 years ago, its likely that the statute of limitations has run its course, and you cannot be sued for this.

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4 posted on 09/27/2007 1:23:05 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: AFreeBird

I posted a vanity about this a few months back and now I can’t find it. The same thing happened to me concerning Sprint. It is on my credit report and I don’t owe Sprint anything. I don’t have a clue as to how to get it off either.


5 posted on 09/27/2007 1:24:14 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Brilliant
Yes I know, I made the mistake of calling them, before I had properly researched. Live and learn. They guy on the phone said they had bought it from someone else, or some bogus BS. Also said that GTE or other collections agencies had been sending notices to my old address, even though I had supplied the Post Office with a COA. All other creditors were able to pick up on that fact.

Still, since I made contact, I'll have to do the mail dispute thing. And I know the Sol has run out.

6 posted on 09/27/2007 1:27:37 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: AFreeBird
Clark Howard has information about this kind of “debt collection” at his website. The “debt collection” company settles with the provider, in this case Verizon for whatever they can get then attempts to collect the debt from you for whatever they can get.
You send them what Clark calls a “drop dead” letter.
Tell them you do not owe the debt they allege you owe (important wording) and that under the Fair Credit Reporting Act, they may not put anything on your credit report. You then keep a copy of the letter forever.
www.clarkhoward.com
7 posted on 09/27/2007 1:28:23 PM PDT by Wiser now (Happiness is not an absence of problems, but the ability to deal with them.)
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To: AFreeBird

A couple of years ago I got a collection notice saying I owed some telephone company (I think Sprint) for over $100 in collect calls, for a phone number that was in my wifes name up until about three years before the debt. I called the company, and didn’t get very far. I called the telephone company, and they told me that they had hire a debt collector who used old information to try and track down the owner of the number. They said not to worry about it, and to ignore the letter. I got another letter a few weeks later, had the same conversation, and they told me not to worry. I got a thrid and more threatening letter after a few more weeks. This time I called and told them that I trying to figure out whether to call my Attorney General or the Public Service Commission (their regulator), and maybe they could help me decide who to call. They faxed me a letter saying I didn’t own them anything, and I sent that to the collection agent.


8 posted on 09/27/2007 1:30:00 PM PDT by NYFriend
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To: Graybeard58; AFreeBird

My situation - long distance landline phone svc w/ Sprint - moved and continued svc to new address. Eventually chose another LD company and paid all bills to satisfaction.

8 years later, a past due notice at old addy from Sprint, didn’t have old number printed on bill, I didn’t remember it. Had to call Sprint Corporate to get routed to human being.

Sprint had installed software to bill customers $5/mo for privilege of svc. Software included old customers from wayback. 1st CSR I spoke with parrotted, “That’s what the computer says, you owe.” Took an old, experienced CSR to explain and delete debt.

Hope this helps, quitting time and I’m outta here. :o)


9 posted on 09/27/2007 1:31:20 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne ("Shorn, dumb and bleating is no way to go through life, son." Yeah, close enough.)
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To: Graybeard58
You have to file a complaint or dispute resolution claim, with the credit bureau's (probably all 3 of them), you can also file a complaint with the FTC.

BTW: I went got got my yearly free copy of my creit report from Equifax and there's nothing on it about this - yet. My responding to them might trigger them reporting, but I have not paid anything, nor have I indicated that I'd pay anything. The reps "Supervisor" said he'd halve my bill, LOL. That sent up red flags right away, at which point I asked what the original amount was. He didn't know, saying that they didn't have the records handy or sumsuch BS.

10 posted on 09/27/2007 1:33:19 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: AFreeBird

Probably just more fund raising by Hillary.


11 posted on 09/27/2007 1:33:38 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: AFreeBird

It’s essentially a wide net fishing expedition. Let’s say the debt is real, but also really old and potentially non-collectible. Let’s say there are a thousand people just like you in the same circumstance. If only 100 people actually pay the $100, Then they have made $10,000 on the investment of 1000 postage stamps and letters.................


12 posted on 09/27/2007 1:34:38 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmosphere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: AFreeBird

sue them under the Fair Debt Collections Act (let along claims of fraud, harrassment, etc.). Contact a local consumer protection lawyer and make some money off it.


13 posted on 09/27/2007 1:37:06 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: AFreeBird

Under the FDCPA, after 7 years the debt is null and void unless a court order was obtained by the creditor for payment of the debt. After 7 years, it must not be included on your credit report, it is considered uncollectable.


14 posted on 09/27/2007 1:38:16 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Red Badger

Yep, that’s why the vanity, to warn others. Like I said, I can’t say if the debt is real(outstanding or closed), and I have no records (canceled checks) to prove otherwise, and the SoL has run out.


15 posted on 09/27/2007 1:38:38 PM PDT by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: AFreeBird

Get a lawyer. Sounds like a great class action suit.


16 posted on 09/27/2007 1:39:17 PM PDT by bigeasy_70118
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To: AFreeBird

bookmark


17 posted on 09/27/2007 1:39:25 PM PDT by Sax
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To: AFreeBird

If return envelope is postage paid, send it back filled with washers or other flat metal...no corespondence.


18 posted on 09/27/2007 1:41:07 PM PDT by Roccus (Fighting politicians IS the war on terror!)
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To: JZelle

Junk debt buyers are sprouting up all over the place. A new even more slimy tactic is buying old debt and then filing lawsuits en masse. In Texas a junk debt buyer purchased some old Cc debt from a large card issuer and filed 1000 lawsuits, yes I said 1000! Ah the power of mail merging and Word 2007. I can imagine the county clerk on that deal. I am sure the small claims judge was just thrilled probably after 10 of them just started to default for the defendant. Debt collection is the new work at home business. Buy old debt for pennies on the dollar and then from a computer and your SKYPE headset call and harass people.

Most states have statute of limitations for suing on any debt but you have to respond to a lawsuit to defend yourself. Debt collectors have been known to falsify affidavits, re-age accounts, add in illegal costs. All with the wiling help of the three major credit bureaus. The system is a mess and has not helped one wit to help folks pay their bills on time.


19 posted on 09/27/2007 1:43:11 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: AFreeBird

I once got a letter from a collection agency demanding payment of $3,000 back on behalf of “our client”. I wrote back asking for the name of the client and I never heard from them again.


20 posted on 09/27/2007 1:43:46 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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