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And note that Syria has not lifted a finger in retaliation. Assad knows well that Israel would annihilate his forces in a straight-up fight, and the raid confirmed it. They had to know that Israel would attack that facility if they discovered it, and Syria had to have some defense ready against it. In the event, Israel flew unmolested across the widest part of their airspace, devastated their facility, and flew home as if on an El Al jaunt.

Brilliant.

1 posted on 10/06/2007 8:22:14 AM PDT by jdm
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ping


2 posted on 10/06/2007 8:25:06 AM PDT by AliVeritas
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....Well, It is still is populated by Klintoons' Hacks. :D
3 posted on 10/06/2007 8:27:48 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, Fred, Run. :^)
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The Israelis, who actually originated the "Bush doctrine" decades ago, appear to be the only nation still using it.

About a year and a half ago Bush was asked at a press conference flat out if we would allow Iran to acquire a nuclear bomb. The obvious and correct answer would have simply been "No", and move to the next question. Instead he went into a long spiel about being on "the right track" with Condi Rice working with our European allies to negotiate, and going to the UN if that didn't work, yada, yada, yada. It was obvious right then the adminstration is going to do nothing and hope the Iranians don't get nukes until after they leave office.

4 posted on 10/06/2007 8:36:03 AM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est.)
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the material was "jaw dropping" because it raised questions as to why U.S. intelligence had not previously picked up on the facility.

"What nuclear facility?"

5 posted on 10/06/2007 8:37:14 AM PDT by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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This is directly contracted by OTHER sources that said the US helped the Israelis by giving them intelligence info. Based on the fact that we have the most and best spy satellites the notion that the Israelis pointed this out to us is highly implausible.

I suggest the "unnamed" source for this claim is either rabidly ignorant, lying or simply misinformed

7 posted on 10/06/2007 8:41:59 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/ vrs the "Worse than Watergate Congress")
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If we listened to the State Dept, we would never take action against anything or anyone. Think about it: the job of the State Dept is diplomacy—they make their bones if they can acheive something through talking. The minute that the discussions end without success is a failure for them. So the solution is....never stop talking—even when it is painfully obvious that talk is totally ineffective. As a result, the national interest is often at odds with the State Dept interests. There are a few exceptions to this (e.g., John Bolton), but they are rare. You will note that Condi Rice used to be a hawk; now that she heads the State Dept, her tune has changed considerably.

BTW—this is not so with the DOD. You rarely see soldiers straining at the leash to go to war. That is because it is their ass on the line when the ballon goes up. While war is a quick way to earn medals and prestigue, it is also a quick way to die and inflict lasting damage on the force. The military will not hesitate to go to war if its in the national interest, but they always do so reluctantly.


8 posted on 10/06/2007 8:43:27 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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Thank God that the Israelis now have their own spy satellites and no longer have to rely on our fickle generosity.

Does anyone believe we didn’t know what the Syrians were doing?

Condi really has turned out to be her mentor’s (Scowcroft) daughter. I have absolutely had it with her. There has absolutely got to be some kind of drug they slip into the building water supply down at Foggy Bottom.


10 posted on 10/06/2007 8:45:40 AM PDT by sinanju
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I hear the word “destabilize” one more time...

The best descriptive phrase is Mark Steyn’s “the ‘stability’ of the cesspit.”


11 posted on 10/06/2007 8:47:43 AM PDT by sinanju
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Condi Rice and the man she reports to have turned out to be the biggest disapppointments. Once you read the story in detail.

They could not allow the attack to go forward, because IT WOULD JEOPARDIZE THEIR APPEASEMENT TALKS WITH PYONGYANG IN BEIJING LED BY CHRIS HILL THIS SUMMER AND THE EVENTUAL US-NORTH KOREA PEACE TREATY THAT WILL BE SIGNED NEXT YEAR BEFORE THE NATIONAL CONVENTIONS.

This no good crowd is almost as bad as KLINTOON when it comes to North Korea and appeasement. State Department is firmly running this quisling show.

15 posted on 10/06/2007 8:57:43 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time, an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the US)
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Whatever happened to “you’re either with us, or against us” in the rubble of the World Trade Center?

It looks like that is now changed to “it’s only 15 months to President Hillary, so let’s just coast to the finish and let someone else take care of the problem.”

I can’t wait for President Hillary, standing in the rubble of the Sears Tower, saying to the world “if you’re against us, we’re sorry - please don’t hurt us again.”

And then passing a law to allow 100 million illegals in to clean up the mess.


19 posted on 10/06/2007 9:11:05 AM PDT by oldbill
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29 posted on 10/06/2007 10:45:27 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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In early July the Israelis presented the United States with satellite imagery that they said showed a nuclear facility in Syria. One U.S. official told ABC's Martha Raddatz the material was "jaw dropping" because it raised questions as to why U.S. intelligence had not previously picked up on the facility.

The only thing that would've been "jaw-dropping" is U.S. intel actually picking up the facility. The Mossad getting the job done is par for the course.

Officials said that the facility had likely been there for months if not years.

If we can't even find a nuke facility that had been in the same place for years how does anyone think we could've tracked the movement of Saddam's WMDs?

Between July and September, weeks of high-level talks took place. The Israelis wanted to destroy the facility immediately, and had some support from the American intelligence community that had managed to miss this development. However, Condoleezza Rice and others did not. They wanted to "confront" the Syrians first

The Arabists (including Condi, btw) in Foggy Bottom strike again! I suspect they were concerned about an Israeli strike "hurting the peace process" or some other ridiculous fantasy.

The Israelis, who actually originated the "Bush doctrine" decades ago, appear to be the only nation still using it.

The U.S. used if for about a month or two.

Israel, more worried about the consequences of a nuclear Syria -- something that should worry us as well -- simply ignored Washington after weeks of argument and acted in its own self-interest.

Big props to someone to whom I never thought I'd give any -- Ehud Olmert.

30 posted on 10/06/2007 10:45:50 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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Yet another reason for President Thompson to appoint Ambassador John Bolton Secretary of State and Congressman Duncan Hunter as Secretary of Defense.


33 posted on 10/06/2007 11:17:02 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (https://www.fred08.com/contribute.aspx?RefererID=c637caaa-315c-4b4c-9967-08d864cd0791)
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John Bachelor is coming back to wabc radio. He will be all over this story.
39 posted on 10/06/2007 3:51:59 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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bmflr


43 posted on 10/06/2007 8:26:22 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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"Between July and September, weeks of high-level talks took place. The Israelis wanted to destroy the facility immediately, and had some support from the American intelligence community that had managed to miss this development. However, Condoleezza Rice and others did not. They wanted to "confront" the Syrians first -- as the Jerusalem Post puts it, to scold Assad publicly for operating a nuclear facility."

Here's why you shouldn't believe a word of this cover story that is clearly being shopped around to various news sources by someone in U.S. diplo-intel circles:

The State Department is **INCAPABLE** of keeping secret a Syrian nuclear facility, or an Israeli request for a strike, from July into September.

Heck, memos of "torture" are routinely leaked, much less anything really important.

No way...no freaking way did the State Department goons keep a secret this big for this long. Heck, they'd have their book out on Amazon.com doing the Micahel Schuerer shuffle by this point if they'd been informed of the above back in July.

...But this sort of news "leak" will cause normally pro-Bush Americans to bash Condi Rice, as if the story was accurate.

Not buyin' it.

46 posted on 10/06/2007 10:00:56 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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The author nails it.


48 posted on 10/07/2007 12:00:58 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (RUN Paul - a man proudly putting al Qaeda's interest ahead of America's.)
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One U.S. official told ABC's Martha Raddatz the material was "jaw dropping" because it raised questions as to why U.S. intelligence had not previously picked up on the facility.

Aren't these the same guys who missed the fall of the Soviet Union? Every single agent and analyst in the CIA should've been fired after that. Better to start from scratch than work with crap.

51 posted on 10/07/2007 4:52:21 AM PDT by Terabitten (Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets - E-Frat '94. Unity and Pride!)
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[T]he material was "jaw dropping" because it raised questions as to why U.S. intelligence had not previously picked up on the facility.

The CIA had other priorities, they were busy undermining the regime. Of George W. Bush.

53 posted on 10/07/2007 6:42:58 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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"offering some very weak tea as an alternative"

Nothing has changed abroad or here at home

57 posted on 10/07/2007 9:07:21 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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