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Fires spew tons of global warming gas (HuGhly Massive CO2 Gaseous Spew Alert!)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 10/31/07 | Seth Borenstein - ap

Posted on 10/31/2007 7:38:30 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - In one week, Southern California's wildfires spewed the same amount of carbon dioxide — the primary global warming gas — as the state's power plants and vehicles did, scientists figure.

A new study by two Colorado researchers shows that U.S. wildfires pump a significant amount of the greenhouse gas into the air each year, more than the state of Pennsylvania does. It raises questions about how useful it is to plant trees to offset rising carbon dioxide emissions and soothe environmental consciences.

Because the California wildfires occurred just as the study was about to be published, the researchers calculated how much carbon dioxide was likely to come from the devastating blazes Oct. 19-26. It's a lot: 8.7 million tons.

That's more than the state of Vermont produces in a year. And it's also more than the 6 million tons estimated by California's air control agency, which used a different calculation method.

On average, wildfires in the United States each year pump 322 million tons of carbon dioxide. That's about 5 percent of what the country emits by burning fossil fuels, such as gasoline and coal, according to the new research published online Thursday in the peer-reviewed journal Carbon Balance and Management.

"It is quite a big chunk," said study co-author Jason Neff of the University of Colorado at Boulder. But he adds: "It's nothing compared to our fossil fuels burning."

Mostly when scientists look at carbon dioxide emissions, they spend their time on the stuff that man adds to power industrial life. But Neff and Christine Wiedinmyer at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., looked at forests, which act as a sponge and absorb some of the carbon dioxide, but which also burn and produce it.

"The problem is that what goes in, comes out," Neff said.

In recent years, some people who want to compensate for their personal contributions to global warming (from driving gas-guzzling cars or heating huge houses) have paid groups to plant trees to soak up that extra carbon in the air. It's called a carbon offset.

Over several decades or centuries, replanted trees will capture some of the gas, but the first few decades it will be at a reduced rate, Wiedinmyer said.

"There's a real danger here that in the offsetting program you feel you've done your bit," said University of Victoria climate scientist Andrew Weaver, who wasn't part of the study. "You've got to be a little bit more creative than to think that you're going to solve global warming by planting trees."

In previous studies, scientists have shown that a general increase in American wildfires — but no one event — is linked to global warming. That raises the possibility of a self-feeding cycle, Wiedinmyer said.

The scientists used satellite imagery, computer models and combustion rates to determine how much carbon dioxide is released during a fire, Wiedinmyer said.

Last week, the California Air Resources Board estimated that just under 6 million tons of carbon dioxide were released by the recent fires. The board estimates that for every acre burned, the carbon dioxide emissions are equivalent to two cars driven for a year, said board spokesman Stanley Young. More than half a million acres have burned in Southern California.

Young and Wiedinmyer said estimates do vary widely on scientific method.

The paper finds remarkable differences state by state and month by month. August is the worst month for carbon dioxide emissions from fires.

The Western continental United States is responsible for more than one-third of the country's carbon dioxide from fires. But Alaska is king. Alaskan fires produce twice as much of the greenhouse gas than burning fossil fuels in that state. Alaskan fires make up 27 percent of the nation's yearly fire-related carbon dioxide emissions.

In the Lower 48, California, Oregon, Idaho, Washington, Louisiana, Montana, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and Texas are top 10 emitters of carbon dioxide through forest fires.


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1 posted on 10/31/2007 7:38:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Carbon Balance and Management:

http://www.cbmjournal.com/


2 posted on 10/31/2007 7:38:47 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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Graphic shows carbon dioxide emission levels from wildfires in the U.S.


3 posted on 10/31/2007 7:40:09 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

Fires AL GORE AND HIS ILK spew tons of global warming gas (HuGhly Massive CO2 Gaseous Spew Alert!) Alert!)



There. Fixed the header for ya. ;-)
4 posted on 10/31/2007 7:40:51 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud RUSH REPUBLICAN! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
There's another reason why planting trees won't do it, even if there are no fires. The trees will sequester carbon for several decades as they grow. However, when they age, they drop large branches and eventually fall down (often in stages). These pieces, which make up the whole tree, are consumed by insects and lo and behold! the sequestered carbon is released back into the air.

The only way trees would help the carbon thing is if the trees were cut down when mature and used to heat AlGore's home instead of using gas or electricity.

5 posted on 10/31/2007 7:49:16 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat
The only way trees would help the carbon thing is if the trees were cut down when mature and used to heat AlGore's home instead of using gas or electricity.

Burning the tree to heat a home would release the carbon, just like a forest fire does. To keep the carbon sequestered, you have to make something out of the tree that would be used for a long time such as house or wooden toys.

6 posted on 10/31/2007 8:07:00 PM PDT by DrDavid (Is this a rhetorical question?)
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To: NormsRevenge
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7 posted on 10/31/2007 8:10:04 PM PDT by xander
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To: NormsRevenge
It raises questions about how useful it is to plant trees to offset rising carbon dioxide emissions and soothe environmental consciences.

a) What's an environmental conscience? Is that different from a regular old conscience?

b) In the natural cycle, trees grow old, consume CO2 in photosynthesis, and then die and give it back again. If you burn the wood, you get a quick release of CO2. If it lies on the ground and rots, then you get a slower release. Over time, it is the same in the end.

Another cycle involves animals, which eat vegetation, breath in oxygen, and breath out CO2. These animals eat plants, but their exhalation of CO2 helps FEED the plants.

Nature has it all worked out. There is a BALANCE. If one part gets ahead, natural forces bring it back into line again. Al Gore ain't gonna help. He just wants his cut of the carbon credits and royalties.

8 posted on 10/31/2007 8:11:17 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NormsRevenge

Gee! Throw in a couple of volcanos, the sun, and the earth’s angle on its axis and what can we do Mr. Gore?


9 posted on 10/31/2007 8:17:52 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: NormsRevenge
I still think carbon credits are a scam.

And the Global Warming is all about shutting down Industrial Societies....

10 posted on 10/31/2007 8:20:35 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: NormsRevenge

this is HuG!


11 posted on 10/31/2007 8:20:59 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (keep the heat on the hillary.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Pave Paradise!
Put up a parking lot!


12 posted on 10/31/2007 8:21:33 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: DrDavid
Burning the tree to heat a home would release the carbon, just like a forest fire does

You miss the point. The tree carbon is released anyway, but to use it to heat the home reduces the carbon released from the power station. IOW, the forest fire wastes the energy, the home fire uses it for a good cause and reduces use of other energy sources.

People who burn wood in their wood stoves are the only ones reducing atmospheric carbon! Ironic and counter-intuitive, huh?

13 posted on 10/31/2007 8:21:57 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: NormsRevenge

wow...imagine how much a volcano spews...</sarcasm off>


14 posted on 10/31/2007 8:26:30 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: NormsRevenge
WASHINGTON - In one week, Southern California's wildfires spewed the same amount of carbon dioxide — the primary global warming gas

Why do they lie? CO2 is not the primary greenhouse gas. It isn't responsible for warming.

15 posted on 10/31/2007 8:31:34 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: expatpat
People who burn wood in their wood stoves are the only ones reducing atmospheric carbon!

I just want to say...dude, yer right!

I burn firewood as my primary heat source. I do 6-7 cords a year. If the tree rots or I burn it...there's no difference.

16 posted on 10/31/2007 8:38:41 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: expatpat
Other than capturing the heat for the home, burning wood still releases the carbon. To make use of the sequestered carbon, it needs to be kept in its sequestered form not released again.

I do not believe that CO2 is a problem. If you do then you should advocate using nuclear power to truly reduce carbon emissions.

17 posted on 10/31/2007 8:40:44 PM PDT by DrDavid (Is this a rhetorical question?)
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To: NormsRevenge
That raises the possibility of a self-feeding cycle, Wiedinmyer said.

No @@@@, Sherlock. Now why didn't anybody ever think of this before?


18 posted on 10/31/2007 9:22:22 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: DrDavid

So if AlGore keeps adding onto his mansion, the carbon sequestration problem is solved?


19 posted on 10/31/2007 9:24:10 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: NormsRevenge

20 posted on 10/31/2007 9:53:20 PM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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