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Spill closes bay beaches as oil spreads, kills wildlife
sfgate ^ | Fri Nov 9 2007 | Curiel, Kay, Fagan

Posted on 11/09/2007 12:10:28 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp

SAN FRANCISCO -- Heavy-duty bunker fuel oil has washed up on beaches throughout the San Francisco and Marin coastlines all day, leaving purplish sheens on the water, ugly black blobs in the sand, and hundreds of injured or dead birds.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: oilspill; sf
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To: Larry381

Good question. When I was a kid I lived in coastal North Carolina and the old timers all talked about the submarine warfare off the coast in WWII. IIRC, there was a tanker sunk about 60 mi. offshore that was still releasing oil well into the 1970’s and maybe still is AFAIK.

It was one of several that were hit by the Nazi U-Boats.


21 posted on 11/09/2007 12:34:59 PM PST by hawkboy (Duncan Hunter '08!)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp; Doomonyou

It’s my fault - because when I saw the links on the original thread that you posted, I wished your (my pointy head) links had been posted (and I hadn’t seen ‘doomonyou’s thread). I didn’t do a search. (There must be a thousand threads posted every day - I just can’t keep up.)

So, I will regretfully accept the 20 lashings with a wet noodle. ;-)


22 posted on 11/09/2007 12:35:26 PM PST by yorkie
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To: thackney

Thanks for the pix!


23 posted on 11/09/2007 12:35:47 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Deport 'em all.)
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To: yorkie

I did a search and nothing came up. That’s why I said to someone else that you have to use the right words when you do a search. No guilt or blame.


24 posted on 11/09/2007 12:39:42 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Deport 'em all.)
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To: Domandred

George Bush Hates Sea Lions!


25 posted on 11/09/2007 12:39:56 PM PST by wilco200
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To: yorkie
So, I will regretfully accept the 20 lashings with a wet noodle. ;-)

Suspended sentence. No noodle whipping for you. (unless your into that sort of thing.) ;P

26 posted on 11/09/2007 12:41:42 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Doomonyou

LOL!


27 posted on 11/09/2007 12:52:56 PM PST by yorkie
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I went to Crissy Field on Sunday Nov 4th. It was warm, sunny, gorgeous. I’ve never seen it so packed. There were sailboarders, joggers, parents with babies, dogs chasing frisbees - one of the last days of Indian summer. And all with the spectacular backdrop of the Golden Gate Bridge. And now they won’t even let you in the parking lot at Crissy Field.


28 posted on 11/09/2007 12:53:05 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Deport 'em all.)
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To: Larry381

Yes, they couldn’t blame Bush!


29 posted on 11/09/2007 1:08:50 PM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

This happens way too often.....I can see why they don’t want this on the FLorida beaches now too.....


30 posted on 11/09/2007 1:20:03 PM PST by Fawn (http://www.brightlion.com/InHope/InHope_en.aspx)
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To: Fawn

You’re referring to...?


31 posted on 11/09/2007 1:23:11 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Deport 'em all.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Are we sure its not just a spilled shipment of the stuff they use during their street fairs?


32 posted on 11/09/2007 1:28:37 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: hawkboy

Nazi or japanese? I know japanese subs surfaced off of santa barbara and shelled the town. Didnt know the german u boats made it to the west coast.


33 posted on 11/09/2007 2:25:49 PM PST by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: Fawn

This was not a tanker. Tankers are doubled hulled (after Valdez) in the US. This was a container ship. The spill is from its own fuel.

If this was a tanker ship and did that kind of damage to the ship, it likely would have no spill.

If it happened in an area of active drilling, the spill containment and clean up would have happened faster. They are required to do frequent drills.


34 posted on 11/09/2007 2:39:17 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Larry381
I'm curious, during WW 2 there were literally hundreds of tankers sunk or damaged including quite a few off the U.S. coast. Granted these tankers were quite a bit smaller than the supertankers of today but I don't recall hearing too much about fouled beaches or dead wildlife during the war. Can someone please explain this to me?

The sea eats it up. Under sea oil seeps (natural geological features) put more oil in the ocean than spills do. The things is a wreck is just so concentrated when it washes up on a nearby shore that it messes things up. Release the same oil a couple thousand feet down and it will be pretty broken up and dissolved by the time it comes up you will not notice it.
35 posted on 11/09/2007 2:49:22 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
As first they thought it was just 140 gallons of oil; then they realized it was 58,000 gallons.

Uh... in looking at the pictures it seems like there must have also been serious damage below the as-floating water line. That gash down the side is too high on the side, and I really don't think bunker fuel tanks would be up there. That gash also doesn't appear to be bleeding any oil.

It must have grounded, and hard, on some part of the pier underwater, in addition to the scrape up top.

Does anybody know if they've said anything about how this happened? Did they lose power or steerage... or what?

36 posted on 11/09/2007 2:50:07 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Walkingfeather

He did say it was off NC, not CA.


37 posted on 11/09/2007 2:51:04 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

It’s not the drilling that is the pollution risk, it’s always the ships and barges. And how do they move oil into Florida power plants? Not from offshore wells and undersea pipelines, nope we use barges and ships.

And what goes by the Florida Keys almost hourly, in and out of the Gulf of Mexico, oil tankers.

Who knew.


38 posted on 11/09/2007 2:53:27 PM PST by Tarpon
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
This really is an ecological disaster that will take years to recover from.

There'll be sticky tar balls washing up for quite a while, but I'd submit that since it is bunker C it could have been worse. Bunker C is a little easier to clean up in that it doesn't tend to penetrate the sediments or sandy beaches. It sits on top in tarballs or tarmats and can be picked up much more easily than say, crude oil.

39 posted on 11/09/2007 2:59:57 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: rightinthemiddle

>>Coast Guard says it took too long to announce size of oil spill
San Francisco Chronicle - 2 hours ago
As oil contaminated more beaches and birds throughout the Bay Area, Coast Guard officials today admitted they took too long to notify the public about the skyrocketing size of the ship-fuel spill but defended their response to the mess.<<

See... the coast guard works for Homeland security who works for the President - it may take a day or two but they will get there.


40 posted on 11/09/2007 3:35:05 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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