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TOP SECRET IRAQI FILES FOUND: SADDAM REALLY DID HAVE WMD
LoftusReport.com ^ | October 25, 2007 | John Loftus.

Posted on 12/24/2007 5:24:12 PM PST by roaddog727

We live in an age of documents. There are no more secrets, only deferred disclosures.

Saddam Hussein's secret documents are measured by the shelf-mile and stored inside a secure but dusty facility near U.S. Central Command Headquarters in Doha, Qatar, and in several subsidiary sites.

Armed guards protect the unread dossiers. Three shifts of two hundred translators each work around the clock. Perhaps 5% of these captured documents have been studied so far, but their contents are about to shatter much of the conventional wisdom concerning Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

The absolutists on either side of the WMD debate will be more than a bit chagrinned at the disclosures. The documents show a much more complex history than previously suspected. The "Bush lied, people died" chorus has insisted that Saddam had no WMD whatsoever after 1991 - and thus that WMD was no good reason for the war. The Neocon diehards insist that, as in Raiders of the Lost Ark, the treasure-trove is still out there somewhere, buried under the sand dunes of Iraq.

Each side is more than a little bit wrong about Saddam's WMD, and each side is only a little bit right about what happened to it.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; loftus; saddam; wmd; wmdiraq
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To: Herakles
After Desert Storm, when he saw how good the depleted uranium penetrators were for armor piercing rounds, Saddam decided to make his own. But he had to have uranium to do this and the best uranium for DU rounds is U-238. (U-235 is lighter so it won't work as well.) So he got yellowcake, and refined it to get uranium metal. Then he tried to get rid of the U-235 by isotope separation, leaving only good old U-238. The U-235 was just the industrial byproduct of a program to upgrade his anti-tank capabilities. He was probably completely unconcerned about what to do with such an industrial byproduct such 30-40 kilograms of U-235. I mean, what would you do with such stuff? It was all innocent.

And they all lived happily everafter.

81 posted on 12/24/2007 7:34:36 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: roaddog727

Every honest, reasonable, intelligent person knew, from the beginning, that Saddam had WMD’s.


82 posted on 12/24/2007 7:34:58 PM PST by bannie
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To: MHGinTN

Yep Dennis disappeared as fast as that news story did !


83 posted on 12/24/2007 7:35:41 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: CowboyConservative
Significantly, over 80% of young Israelis said they “trust” the Army (IDF) but less than 10% “trust” their (liberal) government.

Influenced, no doubt, by the fact that every Israeli is drafted/volunteers for defense Dept duty - so they all KNOW what really happens in the field.

84 posted on 12/24/2007 7:39:30 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

8<) !!!


85 posted on 12/24/2007 7:40:48 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: roaddog727

Why is this not in Breaknig News?

Why is this not interrupting the networks?

Why is this buried in somebody’s blog?

The Sheep will never believe it anyway, so I guess I answered myself.


86 posted on 12/24/2007 7:43:23 PM PST by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: Mark
But if Bush did not lie, then the reverse is true— the demoncrats lie about there not being any wmd.

It's even worse than that.
They lied to defend a murderous tyrant. Something that they seem to have a habit of doing.
87 posted on 12/24/2007 7:46:07 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: river rat
Don’t forget that little Israeli airstrike on the Syrian site thought to be where Sadam’s WMDs were being kept. Heard some Russian “advisers” were killed either by the airstrike or whatever got loose.
88 posted on 12/24/2007 7:50:58 PM PST by GBA ( God Bless America!)
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To: roaddog727

PING for later


89 posted on 12/24/2007 7:51:49 PM PST by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: roaddog727
I certainly hope all this is true--but being the skeptic that I am, I have to ask: Who is Mr. Loftus, and how does he know all of this? And no, I didn't read all of it, but have bookmarked it for later.

Thanks!

90 posted on 12/24/2007 7:52:33 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; sono; txflake; Chode
Merry Christmas All.

My conclusion after reading thousands of Iraqi documents is that Saddam regime opted to produce the precursors(ingredients) required to make Chemical Weapons and not the final weapon itself. There are two reasons for this. First they would always claim that the precursors were for civilian as these are dual use materials i.e. can be used for civilian and military purposes. Second, the shelf life of the precursors is longer than that of the final chemical weapon. It only take few weeks and in some cases few days to produce a chemical weapon once the precursors are ready.

I believe that many of these precursors to make WMD were buried in the Western desert, the Anbar province. In fact I read many top secret documents where Saddam regime top official, including Saddam himself, discussing the finding of burial place for what they called chemical waste. These documents specify the towns and locations where these materials should be buried and they were written from the year 1999-2003. At the surface these documents sound harmless but a deeper analysis reveal a more dangerous thing. Why is Saddam Hussein himself heavily involved in a trivial matter such as finding a burial place for chemical waste? Why are the Iraqis suddenly looking for places to bury their chemical waste? Where did they bury them before when Iraq had a larger civilian chemical industry? The documents make it sound that the Iraqis never buried their chemical waste before which does not make sense. All this led me to believe that these are more then regular chemical waste burial places and they involved the burial of the precursors to make chemical weapons and the equipment required to make it.

It is important to note that Saddam regime rarely name Chemical Weapons or materials related to it with its real name even in top secret documents and even before the first Gulf war, they were very aware that they should not mention directly this type of information even in their top secret documents for fear of leaking the info to the West.

91 posted on 12/24/2007 7:56:25 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: roaddog727

Shattering Conventional Wisdom About Saddam’s WMD’s—What top secret Iraqi files disclose.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926630/posts


92 posted on 12/24/2007 7:57:40 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: SandRat

“but the LeftiZOIDZ will continue to poo-poo it and call it fabricated.”

It won’t just be lefties, I could post this to a conservative leaning forum I know of and would be poo-pooed off the board! And these are sane people!


93 posted on 12/24/2007 7:58:13 PM PST by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: roaddog727

Armed guards protecting documents that are measured by the shelf mile. Sounds like someone is trying to eradicate those WMDs rather than make political hay out of them.

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94 posted on 12/24/2007 8:00:07 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: mwollstonecraft
> Didn't the UN inspect and find no WMDs? I recall Saddam throwing his whole country open to UN inspectors before we invaded.

Two known facts:

1. Saddam unquestionable had, AND USED, WMDs prior to the early 1990s. Ask the victims of his gas attacks.

He did not produce evidence of the dismantling required by the UN. That's why we invaded and threw his sorry ass out of power.

2. Saddam did not have significant WMDs after the US invasion of Iraq. We've been there for over four years and have turned up next to nothing compared to what he undoubtedly had in the past.

Therefore it is reasonable to infer -- but mostly unproven as yet -- that Saddam dismantled and/or moved the WMDs he had 15 years ago.

He had time to move them between the time we said we were going to invade, and the time we actually did. They may have moved to Syria, or elsewhere -- we have a lot of circumstantial evidence (some here will say it's solid, others argue; I'm not going there today).

Unfortunately, we'll never know for sure unless either somebody finds a huge cache of Iraqi WMDs in Iraq tomorrow (unlikely), or one of the other countries in that area who got them, uses them (hopefully not).

Maybe Saddam had WMDs in Iraq before the invasion, maybe not. But that's not important now. What's important is wiping out terrorists.

"WMDs don't kill people. Terrorists kill people."

And as we all have seen, they don't need nukes or gas to do it. God help us all if they get their hands on some real WMDs. We MUST prevent that from happening.

95 posted on 12/24/2007 8:01:49 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: SunTzuWu

I guess the search string I use missed the mark.

However, the more folks who read this, the better we all are prepared to refute the MSM “No WMD” balony.

Merry Christmas


96 posted on 12/24/2007 8:02:33 PM PST by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built)
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To: jveritas
Thank you, jveritas, for your research and other work on the innumerable Iraqi documents. You have produced a wealth of information, and we all (at least, all of us here at FR) appreciate it tremendously!

Merry Christmas and God bless.

97 posted on 12/24/2007 8:07:36 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Merry Christmas to you FRiend.


98 posted on 12/24/2007 8:09:32 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas; Robert A. Cook, PE; ASA Vet; U S Army EOD
Good post here, J.

Saddam had the ingredients....and the components for WMDs but they were never found in a finished product. Same with his Bio Weapons programs.

EOD....did anyone make the mix for storage? I doubt it.
99 posted on 12/24/2007 8:14:28 PM PST by BIGLOOK
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To: jveritas
If those precusors included EMPTA (O-Ethyl methylphosphonothioic acid)that is the equivalent of a WMD in itself. The Clinton administration bombed a Sudanese pharmacutical plant on suspicion that it made EMPTA.

This Loftus report mentions phosphorus pentasulfate, which could be Phosphorus Pentasulfide you have posted about below.

2002 Document: Request for Precursor That Can Be Used To Make VX Nerve Gas (Translation)

100 posted on 12/24/2007 8:27:45 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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