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A Craven Canterbury Tale
Washington Post ^ | February 12, 2008 | Anne Applebaum

Posted on 02/12/2008 5:50:10 AM PST by 3AngelaD

...Certainly it is true that when Rowan Williams -- the archbishop of Canterbury, spiritual leader of the Church of England, symbolic leader of the international Anglican Communion -- called for "constructive accommodation" with some aspects of sharia law, and declared the incorporation of Muslim religious law into the British legal system "unavoidable," practically no insult has been left unsaid....Arguing that his remarks were misunderstood and taken out of context, his office even took the trouble to publish them on his official Web site. I highly recommend a closer look. Reading them, it instantly becomes clear that every syllable of the harshest tabloid criticism is more than well deserved... This was no pleasant fluff about tolerance for foreigners: This was a call for the evisceration of the British legal system as we know it.

...the archbishop's speech actually touched on something far more fundamental: the question of whether all aspects of the British legal system necessarily apply to all the inhabitants of Britain....

Meanwhile, police in Wales are dealing with an epidemic of forced marriages, honor killings remain a perennial problem, and British law has already been altered to accommodate "sharia" mortgages. The archbishop is absolutely right in his belief that a universalist Enlightenment system -- one in which the legitimacy of the law derives from democratic procedures, not divine edicts, and in which the same rules apply to everyone living in the same society -- cannot easily accommodate all of these different practices.

...his beliefs are merely an elaborate, intellectualized version of a commonly held, and deeply offensive, Western prejudice: Alone among all of the world's many religious groups, Muslims living in Western countries cannot be expected to conform to Western law -- or perhaps do not deserve to be treated as legal equals of their non-Muslim neighbors....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: anglican; anneapplebaum; dhimmitude; eurabia; islam; rowanwilliams; ruleoflaw; submission
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1 posted on 02/12/2008 5:50:12 AM PST by 3AngelaD
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To: 3AngelaD
What is a "sharia mortgage" you ask?

"Under Sharia Islamic law, making money from money, such as charging interest, is usury and therefore not permitted.

Wealth should be generated only through legitimate trade and investment in assets.

Investment in companies involved with alcohol, gambling, tobacco and pornography is strictly off-limits."

2 posted on 02/12/2008 5:52:44 AM PST by Disturbin (Liberals: buying votes with your money)
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To: 3AngelaD

Where it will end:

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal. Easter celebrations are illegal. It is punishable by death for a non-mulsim to enter the “holy” muslim cities of Medina and Mecca.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith (up to and including death). Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution. The country has passed the “Regulation of Religious Practice” law, which stipulates a punishment of two to five years’ imprisonment and heavy fines for anyone convicted of urging a Muslim to change his religion.

Syria - The constitution requires the president to be a Muslim and specifies that Islamic jurisprudence is a principal source of legislation. Sharing your Christian faith is discouraged as “posing a threat to the relations among religious groups” and carries a penalty of up to life in prison. A Christian is not allowed to proselytize – ever. Churches who want to hold an extra service must get a government permit. Sermons are routinely monitored, as is church fundraising.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims. Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy. Islam is the state religion, and in a court of law the testimony of a Christian carries less weight than that of a Muslim. Section 295(c) of the Penal Code calls for a death sentence for anyone who defiles the name of the Prophet Muhammad and requires the testimony of four Muslims for a conviction. This fosters an environment in which Muslims can feel free to use intimidation and violence against religious minorities for personal gain. Also, if any criminal Muslim rape with any Christian female and then take plea that she has accepted Islam and marry with him. Such person is not culpable under Pakistani criminal law

Qatar - Islamic instruction is compulsory in public schools. The government regulates the publication, importation, and distribution of non-Islamic religious literature. The government continues to prohibit proselytizing of Muslims by non-Muslims.

Malaysia - Under Malaysian law, any convert to Christianity must apply to a shariah (Muslim law) court to legally renounce Islam. Many Christians prefer to remain silent converts rather than take their battle to the shariah courts, where apostasy or conversion out of Islam is punishable by whipping, fines, imprisonment and—in the most extreme application—death. In a country where Muslims account for more than half of the population, conversion from Islam is punished with a 5-year prison sentence and a $3,000 fine. A Malaysian Muslim who marries a non-Muslim and who converts the non-Muslim to Islam is rewarded with an apartment, a car, a one-time payment of $2,700, and a monthly stipend of $270.

The Maldives - In the island paradise visited by tens of thousands of tourists each year, Christianity is simply not tolerated. While local Christians – said to number around 300 out of a total population of 300,000 – do get together to worship, they do so at the risk of imprisonment or worse if discovered by the Muslim authorities. Bibles are banned, and tourists can be arrested for trying to bring them into the country.

England - Bradford, Yorkshire, UK. Pop. 300,000 - 20% Islamic. Local police required to tell community elders the location of girls who run away to escape arranged marriages. Bars and liquor stores in the Lumb Lane / Manningham Lane area of the city ‘requested’ to close on Fridays. Schools, colleges, and health clinics have to have separate areas for women, with a copy of the Koran available. Public critcism of Islam or it’s adherents, such as letters to the local paper, emails to friends, speeches etc, can and has led to criminal charges ‘Using words intentionally and wilfully to cause fear, hate, or distress. Christmas decorations not to be put up, as this may make the Moslems feel ‘culturally overshadowed’. Shops ‘requested’ not to display easter eggs for the same reason. The term ‘requested’ means not legally enforceable but local police warn that they cannot intervene if your premises get ‘damaged’ somehow. Local councillors and MPs have encouraged all this for the past 15 years. Bradford Northwest MP Ann Cryer regularly appears with long sleeves and her head covered. She once stated that women in Islam are properly liberated and that Islam is an example to us all.


3 posted on 02/12/2008 5:53:39 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 3AngelaD

I’ve read a bit about this topic recently- and I keep looking for a bit of clarity, sense or reason from the AB of Canterbury. This article pretty well shows- there is none to be found.

Complete and utter madness.


4 posted on 02/12/2008 5:53:55 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: 2banana

Perhaps MP Cryer ought to be force-marriaged, so that she can have something to, er, cry about.


5 posted on 02/12/2008 5:59:18 AM PST by Clioman
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To: SE Mom

Yes, Mom. This is what makes it even more important for the GOP to get together and support the eventual nominee - John McCain. McCain will not cut and run from the war the islamics started, the democrats will.

The strategic situation in Europe perhaps can be likened to the domino theory of the spread of communism in SEA, professed in the 1950s and 1960s by US politicians and strategists. If England falls, the entire West is in danger of falling to the muslims.


6 posted on 02/12/2008 5:59:37 AM PST by astounded (The Democrat Party is a Clear and Present Danger to the USA)
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To: SE Mom

When we enter the voting booth this fall we should all remember this article - accomodation and appeasement with this evil philosophy is where the left in this country are duty bound to take us. Time for us as a western culture is running out. There is still, however, time for action.


7 posted on 02/12/2008 6:01:33 AM PST by rayincolorado ("Those who forget the past, are condemned to repeat it ...")
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To: astounded

I love the smell of delusion early in the morning.


8 posted on 02/12/2008 6:01:53 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: 3AngelaD

Rowan’s view seems to be that there are a lot of sinners around so we have to change our laws and probably Christianity to accommodate them without disturbing the sinning. His is an interesting religion.


9 posted on 02/12/2008 6:04:57 AM PST by arthurus
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To: 3AngelaD
Astounding! A rare bit of wisdom from the Washington Post.
10 posted on 02/12/2008 6:09:25 AM PST by Hawthorn
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To: 3AngelaD

This is just the latest of this man’s inanities. Every time he opens his mouth, he exhibits his ignorance of God


11 posted on 02/12/2008 6:14:45 AM PST by Understated
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To: G.Mason

Who are you speaking of as deluded?


12 posted on 02/12/2008 6:15:31 AM PST by astounded (The Democrat Party is a Clear and Present Danger to the USA)
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To: 3AngelaD

I have read the hundreds of comments in British newspapers by the public, bleating that they will never allow the infiltration of sharia law, and only two or three have even noted that stealth legislation has already been passed without a murder from the public, which entitles Muslims with more than one wife and family to receive benefits for all of them, as long as the marriages were made outside Britain. Whether the British public is unaware or unconcerned about this, I couldn’t say, but neither one bodes well for its ability to oppose any infiltration of sharia law into British society. It’s amazing to me that there’s been so little said about this in their media, and so little mention if it, much less outrage about it, by the same British public pouring out their indignation at the comments of Rowan Williams.


13 posted on 02/12/2008 6:30:27 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: astounded
Whom did I post it to?


McCain "will not cut and run", yet he is openly for McCain/Feingold ... McCain/Kennedy ... McCain Lieberman.


McCain is in fact a man who is much more comfortable with the enemy Democrat Party than he is with the Republicans.


McCain is a RINO at the least, and a sell out at the worst.


For you to pimp him off as some grand and glorious alternative to anything worthy to lead our nation is delusional.


Yes ... IMHO you are delusional.

14 posted on 02/12/2008 6:32:34 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: G.Mason

Hear! Hear!

My tagline ought to be the ‘convincer’ for those McCainiacs who think Johnny Boy is some kind of wartime leader.

He got his ass shot down, wrecked 5 planes, and that was before he even got elected to the Senate!


15 posted on 02/12/2008 6:52:54 AM PST by mkjessup (Any SOB who calls John F'in Kerry "his dear friend" will NEVER get my vote, no way, no how.)
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To: Disturbin

Well, I’d go along with those precepts too...


16 posted on 02/12/2008 6:54:17 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: G.Mason

I am deluded because I recognize that McCain will stand and fight islamic totalitarianism?

That is my sole basis for supporting him. Besides the view espoused by my tagline about the democrat party. My view is McCain is preferable - with all his shortcomings - to any democrat on that basis alone. Without national security, the rest does not matter, McCain/Feingold ... McCain/Kennedy ... McCain Lieberman.

And, I did not, “pimp him off as some grand and glorious alternative to anything worthy to lead our nation is delusional”.

You are being short-sighted, political, childish. The islamic jihadis, on the other hand, are not.


17 posted on 02/12/2008 6:58:35 AM PST by astounded (The Democrat Party is a Clear and Present Danger to the USA)
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To: astounded
The world, including the U.S.A. is not ready, willing, or able to fight Muslims.


Were they, the Muslims would be under attack in every corner of the earth. (as Jorge Bush promised)


Fighting in Afghanistan, and Iraq, while leaving them (Muzzies) to invade, and prosper in the rest of the world, does not a war make.


As far as McCains ability to do anything resembling protecting our nation from the enemies within, (our greatest problem BTW) or out of America, is just wishful thinking.


McCain may be a Senator, but he is no leader.


Oh ... and yes you are pimping McCain. Your mere support of him, even as the lesser of evils, is, in fact, pimping the bum.

18 posted on 02/12/2008 7:17:51 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: mrsmel

Aren’t the Brits already paying their Dhimmi-tax and just don’t know it yet?


19 posted on 02/12/2008 7:20:25 AM PST by Hiddigeigei (Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder. [Arnold Toynbee])
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