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Penn: Obama "really can't win the general"
The Politico ^ | March 13, 2008 | Ben Smith

Posted on 03/14/2008 12:26:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

My notes on this from the Clinton call weren't clear, but USA Today posts the audio, which is.

On the Clinton call earlier, Mark Penn said, "We believe that [the Pennsylvania primary result] will show that Hillary is ready to win, and that Sen. Obama really can’t win the general election."

He later revised it to say that losing Pennsylvania would raise questions about Obama's ability to win.

But it's a pretty strong thing to say.


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We may need to lay in more stocks of popcorn than previously thought. Watch the Obama camp call this a racist statement to try and take the heat off his pastor's sermons.
1 posted on 03/14/2008 12:26:31 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 03/14/2008 12:29:38 AM PDT by Bobalu (I guess I see'd that varmint for the last time....)
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"...But it's a pretty strong thing to say.."

I guess! Why doesn't he just call him an N-Bomb and be done with it!

The arrogance of the Clinton people is a bottomless pit. Obama polls better against McCain than Hillary, not that they notice. Ferraro's, he wouldn't be here except for his color is typical of the attitude. Obama is ahead in the contest and they can't stand their girl getting whipped.

3 posted on 03/14/2008 12:43:51 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess Obama didn’t bake enough cookies at the White House(?)


4 posted on 03/14/2008 12:54:55 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

The Clintons have been training their plantation slaves to hear racial overtones in everything for so long, they definitely won’t miss this one.

A Senate seat is already too much power in her hands, God help us all if she becomes President.


5 posted on 03/14/2008 12:56:29 AM PDT by Content Provider
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Obama polls better against McCain than Hillary, not that they notice.

Has anyone broken down those polls to an electoral map and compared the Obama vs. McCain map to the Hillary vs McCain map?

6 posted on 03/14/2008 1:07:48 AM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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I see this backfiring. Some may be getting tired of the plantation by now.


7 posted on 03/14/2008 1:08:11 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: kingu

Real Clear politics has done some.


8 posted on 03/14/2008 1:11:02 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This idiot Penn thinks he’s some kind of political genius, but you’ll notice that as a consultant, he hasn’t quit his day job to hop on to the Hiliarly bandwagon with 100 percent dedication to the task of putting the Beast in the White House.

What we’re really seeing is the ever-increasing Clinton-fatigue among the electorate. The voters are tired of the continuous drama-queen mentality, always playing the victim card, lying about everything under the sun, and of *course* accusing everyone else of doing the very things they (the Clintonistas) are doing.

Hiliarly never held a security clearance while First Lady, she never made any decisions with national security overtones, her so-called ‘experience’ is all in her head. Prior to this election cycle, she had NEVER run a national campaign, and it SHOWS.

If Hiliarly wants to claim all that ‘experience’ that her sociopathic spouse has from the Billigula years, she has to take the responsibility for the degradation of our military forces, the foreign policy failures regarding North Korea and the Middle East, and most of all, the failure of the Clinton Administration to face the growing Islamofascist-terrorist threat by treating the FIRST WTC bombing in ‘93 as nothing more than a ‘law enforcement’ issue, rather than an actual attack upon the United States by foreign entities. Somalia is another failure. And of course the failure to properly respond after the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole.

And Mark Penn thinks OBAMA can’t win the general election?

Pot, meet Kettle.


9 posted on 03/14/2008 1:31:46 AM PDT by mkjessup (This year's presidential choices: "Speak No Evil, See No Evil, and Evil")
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I’m guessing your tag refers to Obama, McCain, and Clinton?

LOLOLOL!


10 posted on 03/14/2008 2:06:57 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (If Spitzer resigns or is impeached, does he lose his Hillary superdelegate status? LOL!)
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To: mkjessup
he didn't say Hillary could. but Obama certainly won't


11 posted on 03/14/2008 2:13:59 AM PDT by ari-freedom (McCain must pick a conservative VP if he wants conservative support)
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To: mkjessup; All

Not that I would want to give Bill any points for integrity, but in all fairness he inherited Somalia from Bush I, and was faced with strong Republican pressure to cut spending, including the military, and enjoy the “peace dividend” from the collapse of the Soviet Union. My son was with the 82nd Airborne in Saudi Arabia and Iraq from August 9, 1990 to April 1991, so I have been paying attention to military questions for a long time. He also spent 8 months in Afghanistan in 2006 with Special Forces.

I seem to recall that when Clinton tried to implement strong measures, he was accused of a “Wag the Dog” scenario by Republicans. Bush II seemed to have inherited a fairly strong military that made short work of both the Afghanistan invasion and the initial Iraq warfare. Unfortunately, Shinseki was right when he urged at least 350,000 troops. When that flap was going on I asked my son how many he thought we should have, and he said 450,000. You will recall that after a year there Brimmer (sp?) said we should have had 500,000. Also Rumsfeld was a strong supporter of the lean and mean armed forces, rather than the robust kind as our overstretch National Guard has learned so bitterly.


12 posted on 03/14/2008 2:24:44 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Winning a primary is not akin to winning the state in November.


13 posted on 03/14/2008 2:40:52 AM PDT by Impy ("Our rivers are full of fish..." B. H. Obama)
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To: gleeaikin
Not that I would want to give Bill any points for integrity, but in all fairness he inherited Somalia from Bush I

It doesn't matter who Billigula inherited Somalia from, what matters is how the boy Emperor conducted himself regarding Somalia and the answer is: disgracefully.

I seem to recall that when Clinton tried to implement strong measures, he was accused of a “Wag the Dog” scenario by Republicans.

Irrelevant. If Clinton thought strong measures were called for, what Republicans called it shouldn't have mattered.

Unfortunately, Shinseki was right when he urged at least 350,000 troops.

Shinseki is an idiot whose claim to fame was urging cute little berets for all the troops and the day the exit door smacked him on the ass was a good day.

When that flap was going on I asked my son how many he thought we should have, and he said 450,000.

With absolute respect for your son and appreciation for his service, could you elaborate on his experience as a strategic planner?
14 posted on 03/14/2008 2:40:57 AM PDT by mkjessup (This year's presidential choices: "Speak No Evil, See No Evil, and Evil")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bump!

http://Vets4McCain.com

15 posted on 03/14/2008 2:51:44 AM PDT by W04Man (DON'T BLAME ME, I was With Fred, then Mitt, and now McCain (our troops deserve a qualified CIC))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; EarthBound

1 Candidate hates America.

1 Candidate thinks we are all idiots (and is married to proof).

1 Candidate has liberal leanings... but at least he’s PROUD of America and has the experience to lead.

Guess where my vote is going.


16 posted on 03/14/2008 3:10:51 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Arm yourself!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Penn, ..this year’s Bob Shrum wannabe.


17 posted on 03/14/2008 3:38:38 AM PDT by rod1 (uestion)
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To: mkjessup

Did Bubba inherit his apparent dislike for aspirin from Pres. Bush as well. Cuause Clinton destroyed more apirin (and probably some innocent people) than terrorists as best I can tell.


18 posted on 03/14/2008 3:41:11 AM PDT by rod1 (uestion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Penn: Obama "really can't win the general"

Shhhhh!

That's our secret!

19 posted on 03/14/2008 3:50:50 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I've got a home in Glory Land that outshines the sun)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

In the Clinton world, up is down and left is right. It is pretty easy actually once you see the simple playbook.

If these people win, errr steal the election, God help this country.


20 posted on 03/14/2008 5:33:21 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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