Posted on 07/05/2008 10:45:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Sen. John McCain is making surprising headway with religious conservatives - that part of the Republican electoral coalition he was expected to find the most resistant.
For a campaign that Republican critics have called ill-managed, disorganized and message-challenged, the Arizona senator's organization has, from all outward appearances, been doing things right in its appeals to evangelicals and other religious conservatives.
In the past week, Mr. McCain won over a major group of social conservatives, thanks to personal appeals, and the campaign has made personnel moves appealing to religious voters.
In Denver last week, a meeting of nearly 100 religious conservative leaders and activists resulted in about 75 of them deciding Mr. McCain is their man. Some of those present told The Washington Times on the condition of anonymity that distrust of Sen. Barack Obama was a big part of their conversion to the McCain cause, though the Arizonan's own persuasiveness on the values issues generally impressed them the most.
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Mr. McCain, who had attacked evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as "agents of intolerance" during his failed 2000 nomination bid, has reportedly met with hundreds of leading evangelicals in recent weeks and, by all accounts, turned them around by the force of his personality and personal credibility.
"We - I mean the values voters - said about a year ago that John McCain doesn't like us and we don't like him," Ohio-based evangelical insider Phil Burress told The Times. "About the same time, we said McCain and [Rudolph W.] Giuliani were the two unacceptable Republican candidates."
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I agree with you, not voting for either one. McCain is a liberal light Democrat and I don’t vote for liberals, period.
I look at what we got in our CA Gov. He is greener than grass. We now have some substantial Global Warming legislation that will soon choke out rural areas by pushing everyone into central sustainable communities. This is being implemented by requirements on local planning. We are seeing the formation of large regional governments for air and water quality, which move control to urban areas. We also are seeing more aggressive appointed boards - like the water quality boards, that are passing land use regulations hand over fist untill we find ourselves living with the green gestapo. We are seeing a tremendous amount of reallocation of ownership, control and benefit of natural resources from inland communities to other interests.
We will see more of it from McCain until rural California belongs to the conservancies, the large landowners and the tribes.
We do know with 1000% certainty that neither of them would have nominated a Roberts or Alito. For you to claim otherwise just shows how completely in fantasy world are you.
As far as McCain nominating an originalist, it is extreme dysfunctional thinking to take a certain loss (Obama), because you do not want to chance a "possible" loss.
Obama and McCain both would accept this because it would be 'best for the collective'. They can say McCain is for this and that, but his record and his pandering to these green groups and other voting blocs doesn't back it up.....
Because I deal with the honor system at Mr. Jefferson's University day in and day out.
Pretending to stand for what the Founders fought for and bequeathed to us when, in fact, you are not is quite dishonorable.
Like the Founders would have favored cap-and-trade rationing, pre-emptive wars, and entitlement spending for foreign nationals (illegal aliens).
You, and others with your mindset, are not conservatives.
Oh, we're quite conservative...we just refuse to go along with the useful idiots who have hijacked the Republican Party and the conservative cause to create a new, "modern" brand of conservatism that more closely resembles statism and Socialism than anything the Founders espoused.
The Democrats completed their transition to the left some time ago. It now appears that the Republicans are in the process of completing their transition.
It does not make you a traitor, but it does mark you as a fool.
Better a fool with principles than a useful idiot for McCain (to paraphrase another poster's words).
McCain will discard his conservative supporters like a used condom when he's done gangbanging the country with his leftist (Democrat and RINO) buddies in the legislature.
It will survive four years of McCain, even with all his serious flaws.
Serious flaws...like the fact that he's a left-winger who associates quite frequently with Democrats. Birds of a feather flock together.
You may be willing to take that kind of gamble, but I am not.
Voting for a maverick is a gamble. You never know when he's going to spit in your eye.
moron
Overdosing on that "foul medicine" is a perfect way for the GOP to commit suicide.
Sorry to correct you here.
The word "governed" implies that we have a choice in the matter. The reality is that we are now being "ruled," which appears satisfactory to many Americans so long as the bread and circus keep coming.
LOL! The last thing you want to do is pick a fight with me over the meaning and usage of words.
Let's see...you chose to emphasize my use of "dishonorable," even claiming I use it "an awful lot."
So. What bothers you about my use of that word? It can't really be the number of times I used it, since it was only three times in six fairly long posts I made on a thread with 140+ posts.
Could it be that antonyms for dishonorable include: decent, ethical, honest, just, noble, principled, respectable, righteous, upright, upstanding? Could it be that my use of "dishonorable" is too pointedly opposite those qualities? Hmmmm...
I referred to the fact that Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and the other Founding Fathers were intimately concerned with the concept of honor. In doing so, I drew a contrast between the excruciatingly hard choices they made to give this great nation birth vs. the easy, breezy choice some are prepared to make this year. An easy, breezy choice, I might add, which few with that mindset take credit for themselves. Instead, they blame a whole panoply of other people for putting them in this position. How convenient. That way, whatever happens, they can say it wasn't their fault.
Don't blame the "conservatives" for the Obama disaster. Oh no, no, no. It wasn't us who walked away from the troops fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. It wasn't us who enabled the Supreme Court to be turned over to a radical Marxist majority for the next generation (or two). It wasn't us who enabled the subversion of the United States to every UN/Euro-trash world government scheme. It wasn't us...you fill in the rest.
You are a very disturbed individual; were it only so that you could concentrate that venom in the direction of the liberals and Democrats, yet you sit here defending the choice you and the other apologists and LOTEs have decided for the rest of us -- you need to get help with that...
1) It does say something that an anti-McCainiac had to go to even greater exaggerated lengths to justify his position (not saying his defense would be your defense, just that it's interesting); and,
2) My gut seriously needs to get over it's addiction to exaggeration even more. Dang.
I don't care if you think it's wrong. I don't care if Obama gets elected because conservatives abandoned me. If this country needs to get back to real standards then conservatives are going to have to step it up and if you are one then I suggest you start fighting by voting for principled people who hold your values not some party moderate hack, or liberal coddling prick like McCain.
The war within this party is coming, and if I have to bring it with my little ole self I will, but I have a feeling you people that will vote for anybody with an (r) next to their names no matter how out of touch or bacwardassed they are will have to make a choice someday. I'm here to make sure it's sooner rather than later when it WILL really be TOO LATE!
Like the Founders would have favored cap-and-trade rationing, pre-emptive wars, and entitlement spending for foreign nationals (illegal aliens).
What part of "Marxism is antithetical to the Declaration and the Constitution" do you not get? Since you imply that you either attend or work at the University of Virgina, I give you the benefit of the doubt that you have the capacity to get it. So why doesn't it resonate with you?
Oh, wait. It's because people with your mindset think McCain is a Leftist. When one views politics from so far over to the far-Right fringe, that viewpoint is understandable. It's also wrong.
McCain is not a Leftist. In fact, I doubt very much that he has many deeply held political core beliefs. He does have some, like his devotion to the military. True, he has been a Republican all his adult life, and he started out more conservative than he is today. However, over time he became nothing but a typical political opportunist. This has been particuarly true over the past 10 to 12 years (probably at about the same time his presidential ambitions heated up). Prior to that time, he had been an unremarkable senator whose main claim to fame was the Keating 5 scandal. He pretty much voted along party lines most of the time until about the mid-1990's.
Then, clearly bitten by the presidential wannabe bug, he began looking for opportunistic ways to separate himself from the crowd. Why he didn't quit the senate to run for governor of Arizona, I don't know, but it would have been the smart way for him to go. He could have separated himself from Washington without trampling all over Republicans. But that's not the path he chose. We all know the path he chose, and because of it, he deserves every bit of distrust and dislike most of us have for him.
I didn't vote for McCain in the California primary. I had zero intention of ever voting for him in my lifetime. Even if Hillary Clinton had gotten the Dem nomination, I could have been comfortable with my decision not to vote for McCain.
If this election were between McCain and a garden-variety Dem, I would be joining you on the sidelines. However, Obama is no garden-variety Dem. THAT, for me anyway, is the crux of the matter.
The difference between folks like you and myself is that you either don't recognize or don't take seriously the threat that Obama poses to this nation. You also equate McCain with Obama, either seriously or rhetorically (hard to tell which). The difference between us is that, as despicable as McCain often has been, I am 1000% convinced that Obama is several orders of magnitude worse.
Thompson wasa my man. Although by the time my state voted in the primaries, no one was left but McCain and Huckabee. So I held my nose and voted for Huck.
But we no longer have a conservative R to vote for. So mcCain it is, or Obama.
Don’t fool yourself. Stay-at-home or 3rd party votes ARE a vote for Obama.
There’s bad, and then tere’s much, much worse.
“Good chances, since we probably will also lose the 1st Amendment”
Out of Obama and McCain, which one has actually authored legislation that DIRECTLY attack the 1st Amendment?
Go sell crazy someplace else.
You bet. Highly disturbed at the prospect that Obama is going to be the next president of the Unites States.
Were it only so that you could concentrate that venom in the direction of the liberals and Democrats, yet you sit here defending the choice you and the other apologists and LOTEs have decided for the rest of us -- you need to get help with that...
There you go, doing exactly what I said in the paragraph that caused you to think I'm disturbed. You're blaming me and others you see as "apologists and LOTEs" (whatever that is) for your own actions or, in this case, contemplated actions come November.
"Others decided for the rest of us," indeed. Pfffft!
Some prefer to be victims rather than take responsibility.
Mr. McCain is spinach; but Obama is ...poison. Which would you rather swallow?
To: chesley
Mr. McCain is spinach; but Obama is ...poison. Which would you rather swallow?
They are both poison, that's what you cowaring LOTE’s fail to recognize.
WHEN WILL TRUE CONSERVATIVES AS A POLITICAL FORCE STOP VOTING FOR RINO’s?
98 posted on Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:20:52 AM by sirchtruth
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ROFLMAO.
Must be a lot of lonely Maytag repairmen up in the Northeast part of America.
Lots of adamant folks needing to speak their lonely minds.
Seems that that these “I hate McCain at any cost” my way or the highway folks need someone to have a gargantuan fight with.
Can you imagine these so-called self described principled over saving the country folks sitting at their computer,drooling, hands at the ready, fingers twitching just waiting for any unsuspecting patriot to come along and say gawd forbid “I AM RELUCTANTLY SUPPORTING John McCain 08”.
The keyboard explodes without hesitation in a fiery anticipation of we got to tell the cowardly FR louts just how damn stupid they are for buying into McCains hype.
Yep, it is our duty they say, keep it black and white according to our autistic demands according to the right and wrong dictionary of life.
Again I am popping more popcorn and ordering pizza in, so as to devote full time to the coming apocalypse of exploding keyboards across America.
While your self described prowess with the meaning and usage of words may be as advanced as you believe, your skill in dealing with ideas and principles lacks as much as your 'final choice' candidate does. "Your choice" will end up fooling you.
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