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The Darwingate Papers (Darwin plagiarist, scientific criminal???)
ARN ^ | August 10, 2008 | David Tyler

Posted on 08/11/2008 3:04:34 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

This publication marks the 150th anniversary of the joint presentation of Darwin and Wallace of their thinking about evolution by natural selection to the Linnean Society. The book is a blockbuster because it claims that "Darwin perpetuated one of the greatest crimes in the history of science". It concludes that Darwin plagiarised Alfred Russel Wallace, deceived the world about the maturity of his own ideas before 1858, and, to satisfy his personal need for glory, failed to give credit to scholars who influenced his thinking...

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1 posted on 08/11/2008 3:04:35 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

ping!


2 posted on 08/11/2008 3:07:03 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: DaveLoneRanger; metmom; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; BlueDragon; AndrewC; Tailgunner Joe; valkyry1

ping!


3 posted on 08/11/2008 3:07:24 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Can’t wait to see this thread ‘evolve’......


4 posted on 08/11/2008 3:18:06 PM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

looks like a great book!


5 posted on 08/11/2008 3:22:15 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: GodGunsGuts
OK.
Meaningless.
Who should care?
It's the idea that matters, not the sainthood of the messenger.
It's most often the promotional skills of the messenger that determine who is given credit and all science is built on the work of others.
6 posted on 08/11/2008 3:22:29 PM PDT by norton
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To: scottdeus12

Rest assured, guilty or not, the Temple of Darwin will defend their patron-saint to the last man.


7 posted on 08/11/2008 3:22:48 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: norton

==Who should care?...It’s the idea that matters, not the sainthood of the messenger.

Well, for starters, if the book is true, we will have to remove Darwin’s name from Darwin Day.


8 posted on 08/11/2008 3:26:36 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Interesting... The Father of Evolution is a liar. The number of phony/fraudulent evo evidense claims are something like 100 or 1000 to 1 versus phony ID/creationist evidense claims. Why does that not surprise anyone?


9 posted on 08/11/2008 3:26:45 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

==Interesting... The Father of Evolution is a liar.

LOL...that pretty much sums it up.


10 posted on 08/11/2008 3:28:59 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Rest assured, guilty or not, the Temple of Darwin will defend their patron-saint to the last man.

First off, these charges are not new and I don't believe they are accurate. But what you don't seem to understand is that Darwin could have been a cannibalistic serial killer for all it matters. Evolution is still an observed fact. If Einstein had been a pedophile, would E not equal MC ^ 2? This is about facts, not personalities.

11 posted on 08/11/2008 3:29:25 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: RaceBannon

It can be ordered here...can’t wait to get a copy!

http://darwin-conspiracy.co.uk/book/where2buy.html


12 posted on 08/11/2008 3:32:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
BTW, without reading the book, this seems like total garbage.

Wallace and Darwin came up with natural selection independently. Darwin read a paper by Wallace, a quick sketch of the theory, and decided to step up publication of On the Origin of the Species to avoid getting scooped. If Darwin had plagiarized Wallace, he would have had to have written the book in about 15 minutes.

In fact, Wallace and Darwin became good friends and close collaborators. If Darwin had plagiarized Wallace, Wallace certainly didn't seem to think he had.

13 posted on 08/11/2008 3:35:27 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here you go

http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/

http://www.thedarwinpapers.com/oldsite/Number2/Darwin2Html.htm

14 posted on 08/11/2008 3:35:45 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: AmericaUnited
The Father of Evolution is a liar.

Don't believe everything you read. Darwin didn't plagiarize Wallace.

15 posted on 08/11/2008 3:36:20 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Like father (of all liars) like son... :)

Remember, the hardest hit dog yelps the loudest. On 1...2...3...

16 posted on 08/11/2008 3:38:13 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Alter Kaker

==Evolution is still an observed fact.

Only on the micro-level. Molecules to man evolution is not an observed fact, otherwise the evos wouldn’t be getting their butts kicked by Creation and ID scientists.

==Evolution is still an observed fact. If Einstein had been a pedophile, would E not equal MC ^ 2? This is about facts, not personalities.

We’re not talking about whether Darwin is a pedophile, we are talking about whether he stole his theory from other scientists. If so, Darwin himself will have to be dethroned, and the Darwinian ToE will have to begin with a new name (or names).


17 posted on 08/11/2008 3:38:24 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Alter Kaker
Darwin read a paper by Wallace, a quick sketch of the theory, and decided to step up publication of On the Origin of the Species to avoid getting scooped. If Darwin had plagiarized Wallace, he would have had to have written the book in about 15 minutes.

Yes, yes... that what it was. Darwin said so himself I'm sure...

18 posted on 08/11/2008 3:39:59 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

That was the first thought that popped into my head when I read your original comment.


19 posted on 08/11/2008 3:40:13 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: AmericaUnited
Yes, yes... that what it was. Darwin said so himself I'm sure...

Well Alfred Russel Wallace certainly never accused Darwin of plagiarizing -- and the two spent decades collaborating after On the Origin of the Species.

Don't you think he just might have said something? The fact of the matter is that Russel stumbled on the outlines of the theory. However, Darwin's Origin of the Species is far more sophisticated and fleshed out than what Wallace had been working with. At least Wallace himself seemed to have thought so... but what did he know!

20 posted on 08/11/2008 3:45:42 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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