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This article will surprise and infuriate a lot of people, including me. Tomorrow, I will be voting against the radical politics of Obama.

Still, the author is right in saying that the failure of George Bush's popularity is the failure of the Wilsonian worldview, which is not conservative at all.

1 posted on 11/03/2008 10:50:07 AM PST by WilliamReading
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Saying Bush is not a conservative DOES NOT make Obama one.


2 posted on 11/03/2008 10:51:57 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: WilliamReading

I guess the headline itself is a “Barf Alert” - but maybe you could put it in lower case to reduce projectile vomiting.


3 posted on 11/03/2008 10:52:43 AM PST by beezdotcom
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I’ll take a Wilsonian worldview over a Stalinian worldview any day.


4 posted on 11/03/2008 10:53:41 AM PST by HerrBlucher
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The only way the author’s support for Obama makes any rational sense, is if he’s one of those who’s of the mind that it’s better to bring in Obama, to hasten the start of the Revolutionary War II.

If that’s not his rationale, he’s off his nut.


5 posted on 11/03/2008 10:54:48 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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Nation-building was only one rationale for the war. Another was to remove a terrorist-supporint regime (check). Third (usually unspoken)rational was to create a killing field for terrorists so they would be drawn into war in Iraq rather than attacking us here (check).

Come to think of it, you can also put a check by "nation-building."

I suppose it's time to throw it all away so that Bammy can claim he was right from the start.

6 posted on 11/03/2008 10:56:11 AM PST by Martin Tell (Happily lurking in one location for over ten years)
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To: WilliamReading

Tough times always tell you exactly who your friends are, and who your enemies are, as well.


8 posted on 11/03/2008 10:57:34 AM PST by hunter112 (They can have my pie when they pry it out of my cold, dead piehole.)
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To: WilliamReading; wideawake
The author is an idiot- and, if I may say so, so is the claim Bush's view is a Wilsonian world view. Wilson's view and Bush's view are far different, the only comparison is that they happened to have overseas military engagements. Wilson's world view was that nations who do not trade, of whom we need to should be forced into subjection- he did not care about democratization, he wanted subjects to the US. Wilson did really want empire.

"Since trade ignores national boundaries and the manufacturer insists on having the world as a market, the flag of his nation must follow him, and the doors of the nations which are closed must be battered down…Concessions obtained by financiers must be safeguarded by ministers of state, even if the sovereignty of unwilling nations be outraged in the process. Colonies must be obtained or planted, in order that no useful corner of the world may be overlooked or left unused"
... & ....The world is not looking for servants, there are plenty of these, but for masters, men who form their purposes and then carry them out, let the consequences be what they may.
- Woodrow Wilson

9 posted on 11/03/2008 10:58:29 AM PST by mnehring (We Are Joe!)
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This kind of thing is unbecoming anyone who has a conservative bone in their body. I suppose this is an election where the elitist masks have come off for many of those who we thought were “fellow travelers” when in truth they were never with us at all. Even more revealing is how light the thinking is among this thoughtful group of turncoats. How they can call one of the most liberal Senators ever to run for President a Conservative is beyond me.


10 posted on 11/03/2008 10:59:53 AM PST by Maelstorm (This country was not founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a government check!")
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It may be something of a surprise that, as a long time conservative, I now support Barack Obama.

Conservatism and Marxism are two different things. This is like Regan praising the Soviet Union.

My guess is this guy wants to be invited to all the liberal parties. Maybe he thinks this will get him in the door.

11 posted on 11/03/2008 10:59:54 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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Obama: "I'm not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.”

This is the same guy who advocated attacking Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, fwiw

13 posted on 11/03/2008 11:00:52 AM PST by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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I may be mistaken, but I think that former National Review Senior Editor Hart went for Kerry last time, so this is no shocker.


15 posted on 11/03/2008 11:01:25 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.)
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Wilson rejected American occupation of any part of the Middle East.

Obama has the Wilsonian worldview ~ which is why he'd get us in a huge war. "W" has no Wilsonian illusions.

This former editor at National Review is clearly senile.

17 posted on 11/03/2008 11:01:45 AM PST by muawiyah
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It may be something of a surprise that, as a long time conservative, I now support Barack Obama==========================================

Nonsense. NO conservative could ever vote for a Communist.
If you are for Obama you were never really a Conservative and likely are not much of an American.


18 posted on 11/03/2008 11:01:51 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Vote FOR AMERICA . Vote McCain / Palin)
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He invaded Iraq on the basis of abstract theory, the very thing Burke warned against.

If you go back to just before the invasion, you will find a great deal of discussion about Shiite, Kurds and Sunni. You will understand that the purpose of the invasion was to take Saddam out of power and the democratization of Iraq was strictly a side product. Should we have installed a king?? This after the fact crap by Democrats and like minded "I used to be a conservative but now I love Barrack" jerks is infuriating for. among other reasons, the extreme liberties they take with the truth.

19 posted on 11/03/2008 11:03:01 AM PST by JimSEA (just another liberal-bashing fearmonger)
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...a long time conservative...


...and currently showing my true colors as a butt-sniffing power worshipper, I am voting for Karl Mar...I mean Barack Obama...
20 posted on 11/03/2008 11:05:47 AM PST by Infidel Puppy
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Sounds like the thinking of this idiot (Bemused) on a local message board (he’s the most effete person I’ve ever seen). He thinks Obama was inadvertently created by those who voted for Bush:

http://users.boardnation.com/~waff/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=6318


23 posted on 11/03/2008 11:07:01 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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So let me this the “logic” of this mental defective straight:
He claims to be a conservative who is disappointed that George W Bush has not been conservative enough. Therefore, he will be voting for the most radical left wing liberal to ever seek the presidency even though a)Bush is not running, and b)Obama’s positions are the antithesis of everything conservatism stands for. Right......

If this guy is a “conservative” then I am the King of England.


25 posted on 11/03/2008 11:07:54 AM PST by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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“He invaded Iraq on the basis of abstract theory”

Listening to Republicans praise abstractions like “democracy” and “freedom” makes my Burke ache, too. But anyone who can’t see that we invaded Iraq first and foremost because of 9/11 is an idiot, pure and simple. The Wilsonian rhetoric was superficial, in my opinion. You may just as well posit that Reagan clung too tightly to the abstraction of “Star Wars.”

By the way, it is perfectly fine for a conservative to excoriate Bush. But to vote for Obama when you could easily abstain or vote Libertarian or Constitutionalist is inexcusable.


27 posted on 11/03/2008 11:08:06 AM PST by Tublecane
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I think the jury is still out on what the Iraq war did to and for us. To say that Barry got it is both premature and laughable. It's laughable because of that position is the knee-jerk reaction you expect from anyone on the left to the use of military force to protect US interests.

He was opposed to US Military action in the way that my dog is opposed to going to the veterinarian. She may on some level know that it's good for her but she cannot reason her way into entering the building.

Obama's policies have more in common with Hitler and Stalin than they do with Nixon and even less with Reagan.

Hart's been in New England too long - first he supported the French looking doofus Kerry and now this.

32 posted on 11/03/2008 11:11:35 AM PST by hometoroost (The Obama Administration will be Mussolini with late trains)
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Oh please. Obama is the ‘real’ conservative in about the same way that Cheese Whiz is ‘real’ cheese.

It's been a long time, but when I read Burke in my wayward youth, I seem to remember him being no fan of change for change’s sake, and I don't recall him ever being a proponent of the sort of radical political and economic change that Obama is going to give us.

It seems disingenuous, at best, for Mr. Hart to hand pick three issues- the war, social security privatization and abortion, and say that somehow Obama’s views are more inline with Burke, ergo, in all cases Obama is the conservative.

And of those issues, social security privatization? Seriously? I don't think social security was what Burke had in mind when he referred to the social fabric.

33 posted on 11/03/2008 11:11:54 AM PST by Slainte
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