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The Soul of the GOP
The New York Post ^ | November 15, 2008 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 11/15/2008 12:15:19 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative

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To: webstersII

Ha. We tried that in the mid 1800s, and look where it got us. I’ll never understand why when the liberals despise the conservative south and even consider us as useless in contribution to the economy, they want to keep us here. Maybe we make a convenient scapegoat,


21 posted on 11/15/2008 12:42:06 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: mrsmel
They won't get those jackalopes. Moving Left only leads to the GOP's base deserting it in droves and the jacklaopes will vote for the party that reflects their liberalism best - the Democrats. The problem is we don't have a real conservative party in this country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

22 posted on 11/15/2008 12:43:00 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: mrsmel

“Ha. We tried that in the mid 1800s, and look where it got us.”

Not sure what you mean by that.

State’s Rights would be a lot better than a bloated federal gov’t like we have now.


23 posted on 11/15/2008 12:44:56 PM PST by webstersII
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To: SlightOfTongue

I don’t think exposing ACORN and the MSM will get us much. Issues like that are only important to political junkies like you and me.

Most folks are occupied with trying to make sure their children are fed, clothed, and housed. We need to show them where our way of doing things makes it easier for them to get food, clothes, and shelter.

We also have an uphill battle showing them how the democRAT way makes their lives harder, thanks to the MSM misinformation machine.

Keep in mind that most of the general public still goes into the voting booth, and pulls the lever next to the name they’ve heard most often.


24 posted on 11/15/2008 12:45:31 PM PST by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Jonah is right, but his piece is a little dry, IMO.

Our leaders in both parties are wrong. Most young people want sexually confused richer folks to stop using social programs to hurt working class families and using brainwashed American mothers and third-world hordes to cheat working class families in business.

The rhetoric about majorities wanting more feminist policies and other libertine policies is contrived by those of both parties who cheat their own neighbors to keep the potential domestic competition from rising.

The manipulative garbage on television and in public schools doesn’t form from thin air, and it isn’t sponsored by the government. It is sponsored by people in business—people who are also behind social policies in universities to the extent of having briefs filed to enforce such policies.


25 posted on 11/15/2008 12:45:59 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: goldstategop

No, we don’t anymore. As much as I wish they hadn’t, for pragmatic reasons, I almost can’t blame the conservative voters who stayed home. Almost. It really was a question of how fast we expand government and curtail liberty, not whether we do.


26 posted on 11/15/2008 12:47:20 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: mrsmel

I’ve often wondered that too. But a friend of mine used to say, “Never attribute to malice that which is more easily explained by stupidity”


27 posted on 11/15/2008 12:48:56 PM PST by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: webstersII

What I mean is that I agree, I whole-heartedly support States’ Rights, but when we made the ultimate move to try to retain them, we were suppressed by war into relinquishing them. It would never even come to that these days, people won’t lay their lives on the line for freedom(excluding our wonderful military), you can barely get them to vote for it.


28 posted on 11/15/2008 12:50:28 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: mrsmel

I would say you’re crazy, but sometimes, their decisions are so illogical, so detrimental to the cause that I can’t dismiss your theory out of hand.


29 posted on 11/15/2008 12:52:50 PM PST by exist
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To: mrsmel

“It would never even come to that these days, people won’t lay their lives on the line for freedom(excluding our wonderful military), you can barely get them to vote for it.”

I agree, it won’t come to armed conflict (thank God) but we need to find a way to make it happen some other way.


30 posted on 11/15/2008 12:53:16 PM PST by webstersII
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To: St. Louis Conservative
"...and if it (the GOP) wants to win the support of mainstream voters, it will need to become more socially liberal."

What in the world could this journalist mean by this? Doesn't he know that the bulk of the Democrat Party is a loose alliance of Godless communists/socialists, hate America first liberals, perverts, abortionists, feminists, criminals, environmentalists, welfare parasites, and racial minorities who will vote for the politician who promises to support them and their single issue. Any self-serving politician who promises these single-issue voters that he will put their issues ahead of what's best for the country will win their vote.

There is no way the Republican party can promise any of these special interest groups that the GOP will give them preferential treatment and still retain its soul.

John McCain tried it and look where it got him.

31 posted on 11/15/2008 12:55:33 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: exist
Well, it's more a passing thought than a theory, but I haven't found a better explanation. What they're doing just doesn't make sense, showing utter contempt for the only true support that they have, in trying to slice off a demographic they'll never get. And never ever standing up to the left on anything, anymore, even when they're personally slandered. It doesn't add up, how men who had the spine to climb to what positions of power they may have now, seem to no longer have that spine when it comes to at least defending themselves, if not their supposed principles, when they're smeared and libeled by the left. Who doesn't do that much, even we private citizen peons?
32 posted on 11/15/2008 1:00:42 PM PST by mrsmel (That one is not my president.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
But what does "win over" mean?

The GOP's definition of "win over" based on the last several years means expanding the voter base by appealing to socialists.
33 posted on 11/15/2008 1:01:23 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Ben Reyes
The Soul of the GOP is fine. Even the Heart is.

Only if you define "fine" by incremental acceptance of socialist principles.
34 posted on 11/15/2008 1:03:21 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Those Jackalopes in the bushes are called independents .

And while they don't participate in the organization of either party, they decide the election.

35 posted on 11/15/2008 1:03:27 PM PST by mc6809e
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To: St. Louis Conservative
The GOP has become too socially conservative, and if it wants to win the support of mainstream voters, it will need to become more socially liberal.

Yeah, that's the ticket to success. Just drive out the 20 + million evangelicals and the millions more devout pro-life Catholics who together make up the party's largest and most consistently loyal segment, and the liberals who tell pollsters they're moderate independents but always vote for Democrats will flock to the GOP in droves.

36 posted on 11/15/2008 1:39:41 PM PST by epow (I'll keep my God, my freedom, my guns, and my money. You can keep THE CHANGE)
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To: trimom
After 24 years of wearing the uniform, and another 10 years working as a DoD civilian alongside those in uniform, I can assure you the military is overwhelmingly conservative and wishes we could get another Reagan.

That said, there are also many who are flaming liberals and don't have a lick of sense. They are just as likely as the average civilian to become disgruntled and want someone to give them their own piece of the pie. I work with a TSgt who is afraid of guns and doesn't see anything wrong with limiting them. Another guy (retired AF) was involved in the DoD civilian unions and thinks unions are the greatest. I bet both of them that in less than 18 months they will have to do some soul searching because Obama (their choice) is at the controls.

37 posted on 11/15/2008 1:55:48 PM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: trebb

Thank you for your service.

I have heard tell of a discussion among a small group of junior officers who wondered if you could be a conscientious objector and refuse to come home from a war zone.....and which oath was more binding: the one to preserve, protect and defend or to obey the Commander in Chief.

The day is coming when we will all have to choose between that which is easy and that which is right.


38 posted on 11/15/2008 2:02:03 PM PST by trimom
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Each party's going to be a coalition of different groups and individuals with different views. It's been like that from the beginning.

It turns out that people who buy into the logic of social liberalism usually find themselves ill-equipped ideologically to say no to spending on causes they care about.

True. But that's the nature of our representatives. Even some who are very socially conservative find it hard to turn down spending, especially when they don't have to raise taxes to spend the money.

39 posted on 11/15/2008 2:03:16 PM PST by x
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To: familyop
The manipulative garbage on television and in public schools doesn’t form from thin air, and it isn’t sponsored by the government.

Well in the schools it is, but you are absolutely right. I don't know of a single show, that does not interject some snide remark, about republican. I am not positive, since they sneak them in very easily, but maybe "The Unit" has remained pretty neutral, tho of course Haysbert certainly hasn't.

Law & Order is probably the worst of the bunch.

One funny line was when Munch asked Iced Tea, if he had any other hidden secrets, he replied,"Yeah, I am a Republican. May be true since I think he performed at the Bush daughters wedding, and the pig tail disappeared after that.

40 posted on 11/15/2008 3:02:05 PM PST by itsahoot (We will have world government. Whether by conquest or consent. Looks like that question is answered)
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